Tory MPs showing their true colours!

Sorry, Jake Berry’s comment is a video clip on Sky News online, not in the Times

if only earning money was that simple
my workplace have said no overtime for example, for 3 years at least because of the recession heading our way.
then if you take a second job you are automatically taxed at 20% so most of it, if low paid, disappears - add in higher commuting costs, what would be the point

And what about people who have caring responsibilities, who are saving the country millions through their unpaid work, how are they supposed to work more hours? They are already working as hard as they can.

Tell this to the people with the power - the government! They clearly don’t give a flying fig!!! Never have I felt more vulnerable under a government than I do with this one. I think the NHS will be on its way out, and millions of struggling people (young and old) will be ‘thrown under the bus’. God help us!

Not what I’ve been reading in the i and the Guardian where there are reports of a large backlash against both LT and KK from within the party.

Let’s hope you’re right Jax and, if that’s the case, let’s hope they have the guts to do something about it. LT has said she wishes her and KK had ‘laid the ground better’ for the mini budget. I believe the comments above from Clarke and Berry are part of her strategy for ‘laying the ground’ for the public spending cuts that will come in the November budget. Of course these two MPs are LT supporters - that’s presumably why they’ve been wheeled out to do the press rounds. They think we’re bloody stupid!

TBF I think a lot of Conservative MPs and supporters are pretty furious. I can't see how the Conservative party can recover from these disastrous policies and I am very worried about civil unrest. I am expecting to see a Labour Govt next time round and I think the Tories will be out of government for a long time.

I really hope so foxie???

I understand that a number of Conservative MPs have already sent letters to the 1922 Committee and several Conservative MPs have expressed their concerns about this new policy.

So lets give both sides of the story.

IMHO the biggest threat to the Labour party is always a more left leaning Conservative party and now the Conservatives are clearly on the far right with a PM without the political skill of Thatcher in her prime, they are doomed. I remember talking to a member of staff who had always voted Labour about why she was supporting the Conservatives, this was in the 80's and she said because Thatcher had allowed her to buy her council house and she never thought she'd be able to be a home owner. Well, Ms Truss is giving nothing to anyone apart from the already wealthy, not a crumb. This is about as far away from a "One Nation" Conservative party that you can get and it stinks! We need an election.

Thatcher got votes and raised GDP by selling off assets belonging to the public. Truss has very little left to sell.

foxie48

TBF I think a lot of Conservative MPs and supporters are pretty furious. I can't see how the Conservative party can recover from these disastrous policies and I am very worried about civil unrest. I am expecting to see a Labour Govt next time round and I think the Tories will be out of government for a long time.

Civil unrest is worrying. But it's high time for it now.

I'd be interested to know how the so-called 'red-wall' voters feel about the government they lent their vote.

Some of the less well-off appear to think (judging by comments on various SM sites) that reining in public spending is a good idea because it will force those on benefits to get a job assuming, as they do, that if you are in receipt of such benefits, you are simply someone who is not currently working. They don't understand that public spending covers all areas of it - including the services that many of them probably rely on, or might.

The right-wing media have done a very good job of stigmatising benefit recipients and portraying them simply as "scroungers" - often as women who have lots of children by different fathers - or lazy families who, of course, all have the latest iPhones, X-Boxes, Sky subscriptions, painted nails and, naturally, take at least two holidays per year.

The reality, of course, is very different. Over the last decade I've been involved with people locally who are in receipt of benefits for one reason and another. Not one of them fits that description.

So, there will be some ill-informed individuals who will cheer Truss for not increasing benefits - until it affects them and, like that woman on QT who was totally in favour of a similar move by government previously was shocked to discover that it affected her and told the panel of politicians, "I didn't think you meant this to apply to me" (or words to that effect).

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foxie48

TBF I think a lot of Conservative MPs and supporters are pretty furious. I can't see how the Conservative party can recover from these disastrous policies and I am very worried about civil unrest. I am expecting to see a Labour Govt next time round and I think the Tories will be out of government for a long time.

Civil unrest is worrying. But it's high time for it now.

I'd be interested to know how the so-called 'red-wall' voters feel about the government they lent their vote.

Some of the less well-off appear to think (judging by comments on various SM sites) that reining in public spending is a good idea because it will force those on benefits to get a job assuming, as they do, that if you are in receipt of such benefits, you are simply someone who is not currently working. They don't understand that public spending covers all areas of it - including the services that many of them probably rely on, or might.

The right-wing media have done a very good job of stigmatising benefit recipients and portraying them simply as "scroungers" - often as women who have lots of children by different fathers - or lazy families who, of course, all have the latest iPhones, X-Boxes, Sky subscriptions, painted nails and, naturally, take at least two holidays per year.

The reality, of course, is very different. Over the last decade I've been involved with people locally who are in receipt of benefits for one reason and another. Not one of them fits that description.

So, there will be some ill-informed individuals who will cheer Truss for not increasing benefits - until it affects them and, like that woman on QT who was totally in favour of a similar move by government previously was shocked to discover that it affected her and told the panel of politicians, "I didn't think you meant this to apply to me" (or words to that effect).

I'm not a Conservative voter and I live in a safe Conservative constituency but I'm pleasantly surprised by the comments I have heard people making which are completely different to your experience on SM. Unlike many people, I don't consider anyone who votes differently to me to be wicked selfish individuals, I just think they see the world somewhat differently and my experience is that there is much more of a sense of fairness and social responsibility than others seem to see. Civil unrest always seems to damage the poorest communities most.

I'm not a Conservative voter and I live in a safe Conservative constituency but I'm pleasantly surprised by the comments I have heard people making which are completely different to your experience on SM.

The comments and observations I've heard from my Conservative-voting acquaintances and friends are also quite different to those I've read on SM. I'm not making it up - a few minutes on Microsoft News' comments section will confirm so.

Some of the comments made by MPs - as quoted in the original post by LizzieDrip - indicate a less than sympathetic attitude towards those that are struggling. They reflect the views I have read on SM. To tell those who work and strive to make ends meet after years of Austerity that they are living in a "fool's paradise"; or to "earn more money / get a higher paid job" seem like a pretty dismissive attitude towards the less fortunate. Individuals who make such observations certainly do "see the world somewhat differently"!

If think there is considerable backlash within the party. The will no doubt be feeling the incredibility and wrath many of us feel.

Has anyone read anything about this?

@EmmaKennedy

Has anyone asked someone from the govt to explain their new crackers idea that businesses with less than 500 employees don’t have to adhere to regulations? What does that mean? No more sick, holiday, maternity pay? No health and safety? What?

Anyone on GN with a small company?

What regs will you ditch?

Well, going on what is happening to at least one local thriving small business, they are ditching all regulations, they have closed down, because between the rising fuel prices and rise in the cost of raw materials and staff shortages, they have decided the business is no longer viable.

Two months ago one of its local raw material suppliers decided to close for the same reasons. They have sold the trade name, that had a strong following, to another much bigger company who will use the name to brand some of its goods. The farmers who grew special older lower crop wheat varieties, will now have to return to growing high yield varieties that lack flavour or ties to the local area and require the heavy use of artificial fertilisers, so bang goes the environment as well.

Whitewavemark2

Anyone on GN with a small company?

What regs will you ditch?

Up to 500 employees sounds like quite a big company to me. So this could cover a quite large number of private employees?

Possibly most of the businesses most of us have our day to day dealings with. I wonder if this includes regulations made for consumer protection?

I found it then can’t find it again.

It was a government minister, so presumably has traction, but with this lot who knows. Depends on its seat value I suppose. Party before country - every time.

I’ll look again

Chris Phipps Treasury Minister.

Sorry to be so long getting back.

Other mad Tories have mentioned it as well, particularly at the time of Brexit, but it looks as if it is being actively considered.

Wonder how they will sell it?

What on Earth is going on ???

Whitewavemark2

Chris Phipps Treasury Minister.

Sorry to be so long getting back.

Other mad Tories have mentioned it as well, particularly at the time of Brexit, but it looks as if it is being actively considered.

Wonder how they will sell it?

www.cityam.com/minister-says-rees-mogg-wants-to-ditch-all-business-regulations-for-smes/

J-RM's going to let us know...

It all feeds back to brexit. the biggest con in history.