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Camilla to be crowned.

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Esspee Wed 12-Oct-22 08:03:12

I was prepared to ignore the coronation, but for Charles to insist that his now wife be crowned is beyond the pale in my opinion.
I realise there are a huge number of royalists on Gransnet but do any of you agree with me that she should not be crowned?

Babs758 Fri 14-Oct-22 12:17:50

I’m more Of Diana’s generation but feel for Charles and Camilla. I think she should be crowned as has provided Charles with stability for many years.

lemsip Fri 14-Oct-22 12:17:48

so, ' the late Queen wanted this to happen',

the queen had to say/do what she had to. she couldn't rock the monarchy once she had gone could she!

Treetops05 Fri 14-Oct-22 12:12:36

The Queen Mother was Queen Consort and was crowned, Queen Mary was Queen Consort and was crowned...They are following historical precedence and also, the late Queen wanted this to happen

vampirequeen Fri 14-Oct-22 12:11:08

I don't blame Camilla for the way Charles treated Diana. She didn't go to St Pauls and promise to love and keep Diana or forsake all others and keep only unto her. Charles made those promises in front of his God even though he knew he was already betraying her. He broke his promises to Diana and treated her appallingly. He is to blame for the anguish she suffered as her marriage collapsed around her. He cynically and callously married a young girl who he thought he could control. He forgot that young girls grow up and some become strong women who finally fight back. He thought he could have his cake and eat it. He was wrong

halfpint1 Fri 14-Oct-22 12:09:02

So much dislike of a woman for events 25 years ago. How many of us are the same person we were 25 years ago.
Living in the now is what matters. Its mind boggling how
so many seek revenge for something the truth of which is irrelevant today.
The Queen Consort seems a very nice lady who loves her
husband and she carries out her engagements with a refreshing
charm;

oldeman Fri 14-Oct-22 12:08:54

I don't see as it matters either way. She is his wife and protocol would suggest that therefore she becomes a Queen when he is crowned King. She has been a huge support for Charles who whilst living a privileged life it has had some difficulties for him. I think we should all now give them both some time to settle into their new positions and not judge them until they have had a fair crack of the whip. I wish them both a long and fruitful life. God save the King.

Joy241 Fri 14-Oct-22 12:08:31

I believe that the reason neither Albert, nor Philip, were crowned is something to do with a king having precedence over a queen. The hereditary sovereign would not give up her position to another. The exception was Queen Mary whose husband, William, was crowned to give the rather shaky royal family's stature extra strength. They ruled as co-sovereigns.

I know of a couple of kings' wives not crowned. One was George I's wife, Sophia, who was left behind in Germany. The other was Caroline, wife of George IV. She was not even allowed into the coronation ceremony. There may well be others before then.

I have no problem with Camilla being crowned. She is obviously a great support and, maybe, moderating influence on Charles. Yes, they behaved badly but the Diana and Charles marriage should never have happened. I wonder if the many people who criticise them have never gone off the rails and regretted it later?

Jens Fri 14-Oct-22 12:07:38

Let her be crowned!! Ok, bucket of tar and mountains of feathers. That'll sort it

Treelover Fri 14-Oct-22 12:06:53

It's interesting isn't it how kings have queen consorts but queens don't have king consorts.
Neither Albert nor Philip were crowned nor took a king consort title. It reveals the sexual politics at the heart of patriarchy. \women are naturally number two...to have a king as number two not acceptable...or wasn't we don't know in the future though it looks like its kings for many generations to come. If only Diana had had two daughters...that would have been interesting.
You'd have thought that Charles would have been sensitive to Diana's memory and her personal suffering and how much she was loved by the populus not to push for crowning Camilla. the title should be enough.

Hellogirl1 Fri 14-Oct-22 12:05:51

I`ll be going into hiding after this post.
I like Camilla. I didn`t like Diana, she was a walking clothes horse, and she always made sure the press knew exactly where she was going to be. I wouldn`t have wished on her the end that she had, but I really didn`t like her.

Jens Fri 14-Oct-22 12:05:17

Disgust doesn't cover my feelings, she was instrumental in the breakup and heartbreak leading to Diana's death. He once said he wanted to be her tampon! Well that sums that up beautifully now we know who runs that marriage. It's a parody! He should abdicate, go enjoy his tamponage and leave William and Catherine to soldier on.

C123 Fri 14-Oct-22 12:05:13

Agree. She was a normal woman living her life and making her own mistakes.
She wasn't a Saint

GrannySquare Fri 14-Oct-22 12:04:13

None - or at least very few - of us know Charles, Camilla or Diana when she was alive. Nor were we in the room at the time.

So what we know is gleaned from partial or biased sources, loads of PR, endless news items & eventually our own experiences.

Diana sadly died young, & she was not allowed the everyday expectation that we may mature at our own pace, come to terms with hurts that are done to us & the consequences of the mistakes we made. Diana will always be youthful & attractive in our memories, she’ll never grow older, tired, wrinklier or menopausal.

When Diana died, her reputation was in the balance, no longer the fresh beautiful innocent well-meaning girl, she was making her own way after the divorce. She had not always behaved wisely & it was becoming known that she liked to borrow husbands. She was not always emotionally well, certainly vulnerable as the Bashir revelations show. Diana & Charles were moving towards a balanced mature shared parenthood, & that was their private business, but it didn’t sell papers so wasn’t the settled version of their marriage.

Had Diana survived, she would have built her new life, hopefully found lasting love & maybe have another child or two.

Eventually, we’d have seen Diana & Camilla present a united front to support the Queen, Charles & William because that is what the royals & aristocracy do.

Jodieb Fri 14-Oct-22 12:03:48

The coronation will be more appealing to watch with Camilla in her fancy gown and diamonds ??

Polly7 Fri 14-Oct-22 12:02:12

..i do respect her good work of course but not her unforgivable behaviour - if she had disappeared when Charles got engaged they would have had a fair crack at making it work even through ups and downs but there was no chance of this
However I do get it that Charles was under pressure to provide an heir but that wasn’t so important, his brother was at hand
And if it hadn’t been so stuffy as to disallow marrying a commoner or divorced it wouldn’t have wrecked so many lives ! Eg poor Margaret with Townsend & King & Wallace)

The wider picture!

silverlining48 Fri 14-Oct-22 12:01:20

I have no axe to grind but surely it was the husbands of those named who broke their vows to their wives.

Jaberwok Fri 14-Oct-22 11:57:30

Honestly DeeDe, I've read some rubbish but that takes the biscuit! Camilla choseDiana? Really?!! you have proof to support that statement? I think you'll find that the late Queen Mother + Diana's own grandmother Lady Fermoy chose Diana. Camilla is not an 'adulterous' woman, what a weird old fashioned expression. If that is the case, the Diana too was an adulterous woman several times over! Peoples marriages go wrong all the time, many find happiness elsewhere, nothing wrong in that. The Church of England doesn't condemn divorce and remarriage any more thank goodness, one of our dearest friends was a Bishop, and yes he was divorced and had remarried while remaining active Pastor. So all this guff about adultery is just that - Guff.

Theoddbird Fri 14-Oct-22 11:57:19

The Queen Mother wore a specially designed crown to the Kings coronation but she wasn't crowned. Prince Philip, as consort, was not crowned either. I am a royalist but don't think Camilla should be crowned. It does not follow that she should be.

Anniebach Fri 14-Oct-22 11:55:53

Those who condemn Camilla, why do you find the hurt Diana
caused Mrs. Manakee, Mrs, Carling, Mrs.Hoare acceptable?

volver Fri 14-Oct-22 11:55:27

YOU DON'T GET A SAY.

Please, please can we have a republic so that nobody thinks that plonking a jewelled hat on a woman is a really important thing? Can we have that? Please?

Polly7 Fri 14-Oct-22 11:54:56

I agree with comments re her behaviour when Diana was literally put into a hideous position of wanting to marry the Prince she adored and in front of the world at such a young age, to find Camilla had Not backed away was appalling - Harry and William have had to accept to some level yes, but enough is enough after the disrespect their mum received - it was her life actually!

Ok. Be Consort yes but the truth can’t be dismissed surely
Their mum would have been ‘Queen’ and a wonderful one too had she not been betrayed by those two people in such an underhand way
I really don’t know how Camilla held her head up ( reported to have said to Diana ‘well you have the boys’. I ask you that’s dreadful Di only wanted a sincere marriage )

Rant over ?

SparklyGrandma Fri 14-Oct-22 11:54:30

I don’t envy her the hard work she will be doing, possibly keeping his temper and petulance in check. She deserves to be crowned, in my eyes.

She also has my respect because she has done a body of charitable work supporting charities helping women escape violence. As a woman who has lived in the real world, she is perfectly placed to do this, and has got well stuck in. Well done her.

Mollygo Fri 14-Oct-22 11:54:29

Why not? When my brother remarried, no one came up with the idea that his new wife should not be known as Mrs . . .
What happened previously was not held against her.

I’m not bothered either way personally.

But it’s a good topic for us to agree or disagree on, enthuse or get irate about on GN and may reach the magic 1000-possibly even running to a second thread before the coronation.

Jeannii Fri 14-Oct-22 11:53:06

Crowned ! With what? I despise both of them and no matter what they have tried to do since to pull the wool over peoples’ eyes their treatment of Diana is unforgivable.
I’d crown them with crash helmet bearing the words “Liar”.

volver Fri 14-Oct-22 11:51:32

totally do not want her as queen

You don't get a say. None of us get a say.

And Queen Consort is the same as Queen.

It's not a grown up way to run a country, is it?