This afternoon in the Commons

RichmondPark1

If there were a repeat contest today, members would vote for Rishi Sunak over Liz Truss - by a margin of 60% to 40%.

More than half of Tory members think the PM is doing a bad job.

telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/17/tory-members-would-vote-rishi-sunak-liz-truss-leadership-election/
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What’s scary about that is that 40% still think she is the best option. Who are these people?

MayBee70

But why on earth was she allowed to do what she did? How did the party that prides itself on it’s fiscal responsibility let two loose cannons like Truss and Kwarteng trash the economy in one foul swoop and damage their reputation.

The Conservative Party is split into groups: These are some of the main ones.

1. Covid Recovery Group

2. Net Zero Scrutiny Group

3. Common Sense Group

4. Blue Collar Conservatism

5. Northern Research Group

6. All-party group on fair fuel

7. European Research Group

According to the Guardian, well over 100 Conservative MPs have aligned themselves with one or more internal pressure groups.

I'm sorry to keep using the Christians as an example; it is the one most of us know from our history. If you decide being a Catholic, Protestant, or any subdivision of these is excessively important, you are likely to think more about this defined group than Christianity. So much so that this has led to wars and worse, in the past.

This sort of devolvement appears to be what has happened with the Conservatives. They coalesce under the Conservative umbrella, but we do not elect this coalition.

More about the groups here: www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/08/what-are-the-different-conservative-factions

And the group that are obsessed with lowering taxes are now furious about her back tracking( eg Redwood). So I guess they were the ones that were happy for this mini budget to be announced. We’ve been saying for along time that the ERG are the ones running this country. Do you think that people will now understand and believe this? And do something about it. As it is we’ve got two years of a party in power with a huge majority that’s literally turning itself apart. No thought whatsoever for the electorate who are just collateral damage. And entering into conspiracy theory territory here how far do we need to go back to find Russian influence involved: certainly pre referendum. We have to change the way our government is run to prevent this ever happening again ( imo)

Most people don't have the time to be as interested as we are, but this is quite big, in the scheme of things and fewer people will have missed it.

More people will have taken on board what has happened but not necessarily why. But that would have been the case when we were working, I guess.

Traditionally the budget is the policy of the PM and the chancellor with little or no input from others, normally it is costed and reviewed and presented in an orderly way.
To make a big impact on their election T and K decided to release the full details before it was costed, no other MPs knew this was going to happen except possibly a few extreme close supporters.

Sympathy for sacked PMs.
No sympathy for Thatcher her in last term she was ignoring her closest advisors.
Extreme sympathy for May Brexit extremists made life impossible.
No sympathy for Truss, when she goes and she will, it’s all her own fault, others did not sink her she did it all on her own.

Katie59

Traditionally the budget is the policy of the PM and the chancellor with little or no input from others, normally it is costed and reviewed and presented in an orderly way.
To make a big impact on their election T and K decided to release the full details before it was costed, no other MPs knew this was going to happen except possibly a few extreme close supporters.

Sympathy for sacked PMs.
No sympathy for Thatcher her in last term she was ignoring her closest advisors.
Extreme sympathy for May Brexit extremists made life impossible.
No sympathy for Truss, when she goes and she will, it’s all her own fault, others did not sink her she did it all on her own.

I have never forgotten how Angela Leadsom attempted to undermine Theresa May by suggesting that, as she was not a "mother", she had little investment in the future of the country.

The really was below the belt.

And in the referendum debate she kept referring to herself as ‘as a mother’. It was the first time I’d been aware of her and I took an instant dislike to her. It was awful what she did to May ( but not unexpected).

There is absolutely no reason to feel sympathy for Truss. Her reckless mini-budget has trashed the UK economy resulting in a falling pound, higher inflation, higher food costs, higher mortgage costs and the likelihood of big cuts to public services and abandoning the state pension triple lock. She has shown herself incompetent and the Tories should depose her immediately. Her constituency party should ditch her for a better candidate next GE.