Sunak's Cabinet Changes

growstuff

Casdon I'm not disputing that he identifies as Welsh - just being a pedant after seeing (from wiki admittedly) that he's not Welsh-born. I'm more concerned that his politics seem pretty ghastly.

You don’t have to be born in Wales to be Welsh though, with Welsh parents who were in England when you were born but returned to Wales for your upbringing you qualify. If not, my SIL isn’t Welsh either!
His politics are horrible, I totally agree - very right wing. As I said, he won’t get on with our First Minister I’m sure.

growstuff

Prentice

Not so, there are changes.
In any case, the two who really matter have only just come into the jobs, the PM and the Chancellor.It is quite a relief.

A relief from what?

Boris Johnson as PM and recently Liz Truss as PM.

I think that Sunak is trying to cover all bases. I suspect that this cabinet will be as difficult to manage as herding cats. I doubt that Sunak has the gravitas to manage this lot as well as the disgruntled back benchers. Never a dull moment. GE please

What if you have two Welsh parents but live and work in England? Does that mean you are not considered as Welsh?
Is this the same for Scottish parentage or of Northern Ireland parentage?

We're right off track now, but since we're here...

My husband was born in England, but has lived in Scotland for 50+ years, paid tax here, been educated here, contributed to Scottish society. But he can't call himself Scottish and won't call himself English.

We need to get this sorted

Mayal
but I do think that everyone should be treated with respect and empathy
Have you met an Albanian drug dealer. Have you lived next door to one. Do you know anyone who was forced to close their business because they upset a gang member.

I think, from what I have read and heard, that Albanian gangs have been here in the UK for a very long time, unfortunately.
They do have a reputation for brutality.

MerylStreep

Mayal
but I do think that everyone should be treated with respect and empathy
Have you met an Albanian drug dealer. Have you lived next door to one. Do you know anyone who was forced to close their business because they upset a gang member.

There are a a lot of good Albanians in our area, unfortunately there is a larger criminal community of Albanians.

Wasn’t there a spate of violence in and around the City High Street over the summer?

Sir Gavin Williamson Minister of State ?‍?!

Run out of Romanians to blame?

Start on the Albanians!!!

First they came for the Romanians, and I did not speak up, for I was not Romanian. Then they came for the Albanians...
Sound familiar?

Volver
start on the Albanians
You’d have to be a lunatic to take them on ?

??‍♀️

Organised criminals in the UK according the the NCA in 2017 (can't find more recent figures quickly but these give a gist)

Albanians 0.8%
British nationals 61.6%
Unknown nationalities 23.5%
Romanians 1.5%
Pakistanis 1.2%
Polish 0.9%

Should we withhold our respect and empathy from all people of all these nations in case they are organised criminals?

MerylStreep I am genuinely sorry if you and yours have suffered at the hands of any criminals or gangs. That is just awful. Not all people are bad though. There are lots of good people from all parts of the world, please don't lose faith in that.

I know whatever is done some have fixed ideas and nothing will be right until Tories are out. I am just interested in getting the country on track, not point scoring, I’m not for any side. I will admit to finding Keir slimy, can’t see that changing. I’m just thankful Boris saw the light, what a nightmare that would have been, he didn’t care how much upset itcwoukd have caused. . Let’s just see how it goes, there wont be a general election just to please the other side, dare say K will drone on now for months pleading his case rather than get things on track, he’s like a stuck record and it won’t get him anywhere. No one’s going to put themselves out of work.

volver

Run out of Romanians to blame?

Start on the Albanians!!!

The local restaurant our family uses weekly is owned by an Albanian, married to a lady from Madeira.

There are good and bad people of all ethnicities.

just because others lived experiences does not fit your narrative doesn’t mean they are not real.

Have I said I don't believe in Albanians? Never thought I'd write that sentence.

I'm quite sure there are Albanians living throughout the country. I'm also quite sure that like me, you remember the waves of hatred that went towards Romanians, and Bulgarians, when it was thought that they were coming here to take over our country, take our jobs and overwhelm the NHS. Before that, it was the Poles. Before that, the Windrush generation.

Blaming the "others" and trying to pretend that we are under siege, and so have to defend our borders against the nasty people trying to get one over on us, that is peak racism and I don't have the energy to take on the sad little people on this forum who espouse that view.

volver

We're right off track now, but since we're here...

My husband was born in England, but has lived in Scotland for 50+ years, paid tax here, been educated here, contributed to Scottish society. But he can't call himself Scottish and won't call himself English.

We need to get this sorted

My interpretation only, but if your parents are Welsh, are living in England for work when you are born, but return to Wales and you go to school in Wales you are Welsh. If your parents are English, you are born in England but come to Wales as a child you are English. Open to challenge of course!

volver

Have I said I don't believe in Albanians? Never thought I'd write that sentence.

I'm quite sure there are Albanians living throughout the country. I'm also quite sure that like me, you remember the waves of hatred that went towards Romanians, and Bulgarians, when it was thought that they were coming here to take over our country, take our jobs and overwhelm the NHS. Before that, it was the Poles. Before that, the Windrush generation.

Blaming the "others" and trying to pretend that we are under siege, and so have to defend our borders against the nasty people trying to get one over on us, that is peak racism and I don't have the energy to take on the sad little people on this forum who espouse that view.

Who has said we are under siege ?

There are good and bad in all nationalities, not acknowledging that is tantamount to burying one’s head in the sand.

We have a large immigrant population in my neighbourhood mainly Eastern Europeans, Poles, Czechs and Hungarians. In the 20 odd years I've lived here I haven't come across any Albanians - or any criminals of any persuasion.

My husband's family were based in Little Italy during the war and some of them suffered a lot of abuse and violence because they were Italian.

Like I said, I don't have the energy to argue with racism tonight, especially when it pretends it's just being realistic. Not with Suella in the Home Office.

Casdon

volver

We're right off track now, but since we're here...

My husband was born in England, but has lived in Scotland for 50+ years, paid tax here, been educated here, contributed to Scottish society. But he can't call himself Scottish and won't call himself English.

We need to get this sorted

My interpretation only, but if your parents are Welsh, are living in England for work when you are born, but return to Wales and you go to school in Wales you are Welsh. If your parents are English, you are born in England but come to Wales as a child you are English. Open to challenge of course!

But if you were born in London, you are not Welsh-born.

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growstuff

Casdon

volver

We're right off track now, but since we're here...

My husband was born in England, but has lived in Scotland for 50+ years, paid tax here, been educated here, contributed to Scottish society. But he can't call himself Scottish and won't call himself English.

We need to get this sorted

My interpretation only, but if your parents are Welsh, are living in England for work when you are born, but return to Wales and you go to school in Wales you are Welsh. If your parents are English, you are born in England but come to Wales as a child you are English. Open to challenge of course!

But if you were born in London, you are not Welsh-born.

Agreed - but I don’t think you have to actually be born in Wales to be Welsh if your parents are Welsh and you live there for the majority of your childhood. So, splitting hairs, David Davies may be not Welsh born, but Welsh bred!

PS I wish he wasn’t.