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Jane71 Thu 03-Nov-22 09:52:55

I find the situation in NI so depressing, with the DUP refusing to engage with the Assembly until the NI Protocol is rescinded.
The agreement we had under the Brexit deal was the most hard line possible to appease the Tory right wing.
Now the reality of Brexit is starting to hit home, would joining the EU Customs Union be a way forward? My understanding is that it would enable tariff free trade, but allow control over migration.

nadateturbe Fri 04-Nov-22 23:39:13

Wrong Stargazer. SF deliberately collapsed the Assembly. We were without an Assembly until 2020, which caused big problems.
The DUP have the support of their voters.

I think RCs were discriminated against in the past and
I can understand the wish for a united Ireland.
But I believe in fairness. There are two sides to this problem.

Stargazer7 Sat 05-Nov-22 10:28:13

They collapsed the Assembly because of the money wasted in the RHI fiasco, as I said previously due to the DUP failing to take responsibility.
The DUP is hurting everyone in NI, but it’s not NI politicians who can sort the protocol, that’s for the UK government.

varian Sat 05-Nov-22 11:31:54

Yes, Nadateturbe The DUP have the support of their voters but they are only 21.3% of those who voted at the last Assembly election. I imagine the other 78.7% of the voters also support the policy of whichever party they voted for.

Why should the DUP, which actively campaigned for Brexit and propped up a Tory government to ensure we left the EU against the wishes of the majority of NI voters who want to Remain in the EU, be able to sabotage the NI Assembly ?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Northern_Ireland_Assembly_election#:~:text=The%20DUP's%20vote%20share%20dropped,largest%20party%20in%20the%20Assembly.

Fleurpepper Sat 05-Nov-22 12:06:09

As said before, the behaviour of the DUP is hastening the process of reunification, as they currently represent a smaller and smaller number of people. Is that what they really want?

Alioop Sat 05-Nov-22 12:55:27

SF walked out of their jobs for 3 years for what they believed in and now the DUP have done exactly the same. They have wanted the UK government to sort the protocol and we are all still waiting for that to happen. Their wages were paid when SF left the building for 3 years and again all the parties have their money going into their bank accounts for doing sod all for any of us. We don't even have a health minister at present and like everywhere our NHS is in dire straits.
Stop their wages and let the UK government make all the decisions. I know some definitely don't want that or to be associated with the UK, but yet they are happy enough to take all the benefit money and have the use of the free NHS that we are lucky to have because we are part of the UK. It's all a mess that is and always will be down to orange and green here, nothing else.

nadateturbe Sat 05-Nov-22 13:01:43

So it's ok for SF to collapse the Assembly?

Perhaps you would care to look at the last election results.

nadateturbe Sat 05-Nov-22 13:03:37

always will be down to orange and green here, nothing else.

so true Alioop.

I am very interested in the next election outcome.

Fleurpepper Sat 05-Nov-22 13:04:15

Scotland going its own way, reunification of Ireland- and Wales next. England is going to be a lonely place! What a mess.

paddyann54 Sat 05-Nov-22 13:38:58

It will always be orange and green as long as parents indocrinate their kids ,generation after generation.Surely people our age should know better .the hatred can be stopped .The good Friday agreement made a great start ,dont let that potential be lost .
RC's were discriminated against until quite recent times ,my uncles family finally gave up and moved to Scotland in the mid seventies because of it .
There were terrorists on BOTH sides and its not the catholic church thats stopping NI moving into the 21st century its the DUP with their anti abortion anti same sex marriage and anti just about everything if it involves moving with the times

nadateturbe Sat 05-Nov-22 13:52:20

Exactly what I said Paddyann totally condemned because of views on two issues
I remember our local Boys Brigade asking the RC school if they would like a football game - trying to unite the communities The answer was yes, as long as it wasn't in a Protestant church.
Who is preventing integrated education? The only thing that might save this country ( incidentally my best friend and I sent our children to integrated schools in the 70s )
The GFA wasn't thought through well enough imo .

No one I know cares about religion. We do not practice hatred. Or pass it on We are not alone
But I like to be fair. Many people see problems with a border that divides the UK. Its a valid point.

nadateturbe Sat 05-Nov-22 14:00:17

Is it fair that SF are not condemned for collapsing the assembly, and DUP are?

varian Sun 06-Nov-22 17:53:56

No. It is not fair. but nothing has ever been fair in NI and it was certainly not fair that Arlene Foster enabled the UK government to take us out of the EU .

NI is now the only part of the UK which has the best of both worlds - in the UK and in the EU single market./

Fleurpepper Sun 06-Nov-22 17:58:44

nadateturbe

Is it fair that SF are not condemned for collapsing the assembly, and DUP are?

Not fair at all. But this is not tit for tat, is it? It has been for far too long. As said above, what the DUP is currently doing will have exactly the opposite of their desired effect - hastening reunification (which is not something SF are opposed to, on the other hand).

varian Sun 06-Nov-22 18:02:34

There are political parties in the UK which believe in fairness - such as the Liberal Democrats and the Alliance Party in NI.

But unfortunately, in Northern Ireland, tribal factors seem to out weigh any consideration of fairness.

nadateturbe Tue 08-Nov-22 09:15:54

This won't do much to help. It's a very short video.

m.independent.ie/videos/mary-lou-mcdonald-applauds-speech-glorifying-pira-42124984.html

nadateturbe Tue 08-Nov-22 11:22:58

And two days before the 35th anniversary of the Enniskillen massacre.
We need to move forward, yes, but honouring men who did this. A bit much.

Caleo Tue 08-Nov-22 12:01:38

Before partition in 1921 Irish Protestants felt themselves to be Irish.

After partition the rowdies among Ulster Protestants got a legitimate platform for divisive and militant behaviour.

nadateturbe Tue 08-Nov-22 12:22:26

Caleo"rowdies"?
Why would unionists want to be part of a Republic that isn't sorry for horrible murders of innocent citizens? Did you even listen to the video?

Fleurpepper Thu 10-Nov-22 18:55:07

You do realise this was not just one way?

nadateturbe Thu 10-Nov-22 22:35:34

I've lived here all my life and I know what happened Fleurpepper. I condemn all violence.
Some people can't even condemn murder of innocent civilians. (If you listen to the link).

nadateturbe Thu 10-Nov-22 22:53:02

Republicans and Unionists both gained the same number of seats in the last General election. Alliance are neither pro or against.

Fleurpepper Fri 11-Nov-22 10:30:03

nadateturbe

I've lived here all my life and I know what happened Fleurpepper. I condemn all violence.
Some people can't even condemn murder of innocent civilians. (If you listen to the link).

I have never lived there. But I have friends and relatives on both sides. And on both sides they refuse to condemn the murder of innocent civilians.

maddyone Fri 11-Nov-22 10:32:37

I don’t think there is a solution to the Northern Ireland situation. Perhaps give it back and let reunification take place.

nadateturbe Fri 11-Nov-22 10:43:56

they refuse to condemn the murder of innocent civilians.
Really?
I am talking about SF.

Reunification needs to happen (Ireland should never have been divided) but unionists who are British citizens should be given resettlement help if they wish to settle in GB.

Fleurpepper Fri 11-Nov-22 10:49:18

And I am talking about both sides. The Unionists have also killed many, and innocents too. BOTH sides.

Totally agree with your second statement. But the Unionists will nto agree, not for 2 many more generations. Indoctrination and hate is peddled right here, right now.