NHS 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 ... This is getting ridiculous now. Isn’t it?

I can’t see any problem with “Is there any chance you might be pregnant”.

I do think “bleeding bodies” is stupid though. I mean we all have bleeding bodies.

In both uses of the word.

Or bleeders Sounds awful

Volver
Does Meryl Streep know it's her turn in the barrel. One out, one in.

volver

OK, now its a trans thread.

So long folks.

Now you know you don't mean that. Don't be silly 😄

volver

OK, now its a trans thread.

So long folks.

Really? 🤣🤣

Smileless2012

In a case as you've described Shelflife, someone who identifies as, looks like and dresses like a man with has a boy's name will know that they have internal reproductive organs because they are female.

Why use the word people?

If you are referring to my use of the word ' people ' I mean the general population who are thinking about transgender issues.
I agree that a female who identifies as male will have internal reproductive organs. Being transgender is much deeper than the biological body. It is about identity and deep seated convictions. Of course I fully recognize that someone feeling this way needs very careful psychological
assessment/ counselling. I am also very concerned that the wheels are not set in motion too early . Lots skilled assessment needs to be done before someone can go down the path to transition. We are hearing of more and more cases of women and men wanting to transition , it's nothing new . The difference is we now know about it and begin to understand and accept- a bit like homosexuality was 30 years ago ! Although in both cases there is still a long way to go . We may not understand these issues but I sincerely hope we can begin to accept, if we don't then I fear that hate crimes will rise - they are already on the increase and that is something I an sure most people deplore.

FarNorth

^Can I refer you to one of the threads here earlier this week where someone alerted the medical staff to the fact they were pregnant but the medical staff didn't pay enough attention because of the person's appearance, and their baby died?^

A main reason, which you fail to mention, is that the patient's medical record had been changed from female to male, which obviously misled the staff.

Pretending that everyone is the sex they want to claim, rather than their real one, is completely ridiculous and I can see that this health board is trying to cope with an impossible situation.

That wasn't the main reason as has already been posted the main reason as the doctor in the report stated was "gender assumptions" by staff.
The patient was given a pregnancy test so staff knew that he was trans and there was a possibility of pregnancy. They still failed to treat him properly.

I was referring to the use of the word people on the hospital poster Shelflife.

Of course there must be acceptance of men and women who transition but not at the expense of natal women. I doubt one would ever see a poster in a hospital, drawing attention to the warning signs of prostate cancer, that referred to people with a penis and testis. It would use the word man.

Don't you think that having 'female' in the record might have been helpful Glorianny?
If not, why have a sex signifier at all?

I understand now smileless. I also recognize your point of view . Such a difficult issue! I hope I haven't appeared ' difficult ' that is most certainly not my intention .

FarNorth

Don't you think that having 'female' in the record might have been helpful Glorianny?
If not, why have a sex signifier at all?

Yes. If you have female and male instead of using man and woman it would save a lot of confusion.
For anyone saying ‘some people’ don’t understand those terms or are not sure about them, look at the curriculum, where it is clarified quite early on.

No you haven't appeared 'difficult' at all Shelflife. It is as you say a difficult issue.

I just think people are being greedy wanting one new echo chamber a day

Abandons thread

The NHS hospital's poster has two trans symbols on it.
How can this not be a trans-related topic?

if that comment about people wanting echo chambers every day is directed at me VS then say so. I find ambiguous digs extremely tiresome.

If it isn't, perhaps you could clarify by saying who it is directed at.

Smileless2012

if that comment about people wanting echo chambers every day is directed at me VS then say so. I find ambiguous digs extremely tiresome.

If it isn't, perhaps you could clarify by saying who it is directed at.

You know that’s never going to happen Smileless.😬

VioletSky

I just think people are being greedy wanting one new echo chamber a day

Abandons thread

Bye VS
Although I find it funny that you mention something I associate with you.

Have a nice day.

So I popped back on for a look at all the fun and games.

A thread was started last night questioning a Scottish hospital’s way of fulfilling its responsibility to make sure, as much as they could, that nobody having radiological treatment with ionising radiation, was in fact pregnant. Now that could be to have a go at Scottish things (surely not), or at what some people consider to be woke pandering to some modern way of living. Or maybe it was just to have the conversation about it.

That discussion lasted around 3 pages. Then the conversation turned to gender critical subjects (Or whatever it is we’re supposed to call them.) A page of badgering and bullying. With complaints about leaflets that are brought into the conversation just to complain about them, although they have nothing to do with the original topic. I think this is where somebody tells me it’s all linked and I’m a racist supporter of male supremacy, and has a laugh about me not wanting to get involved. Its tiresome and when you see what happens to people IRL who disagree with the orthodoxy, it’s scary. Now watch what happens.

I’m off to talk about His Dark Materials on another thread. Who would have thought that the death of God and the pernicious impact of religion would have been the safer topic. Funny old world.

Hello again Volver.🤣🤣

I would like to know if you think “bodies that bleed” is ridiculous though, volver.

Yes I know Lathyrus but I always try to be positive and the response has confirmed by suspicions.

I've just popped back on for a look after my trip to Waitrose. Don't normally comment because as said before it befuddles my little brain.
But seriously where is this page of badgering and bullying? I've just now read a couple of posters being very civil and courteous to each other on this difficult issue even though they disagreed or misunderstood. Is there any need to start conflict which isn't even about the topic itself?

grrrrrr my suspicions but by.

Volver
See you again later when you feel another rant coming on 👋

oh for goodness sake my suspicions not by.