Latest Stop Oil protest targets a petrol station.

M0nica

MaizieD I have given the link, 2 posts up.

I didn't particularly want to see the video. Wouldn't a couple of sentences in answer to my question have done?

Sorry Volver, I’m a recently retired software developer and if you’re logging in to Twitter and reading things then the algorithms are working on you, whether you know it or not.

Blossoming

Sorry Volver, I’m a recently retired software developer and if you’re logging in to Twitter and reading things then the algorithms are working on you, whether you know it or not.

Yes, I'm sure that's true Blossoming.

But I have a virtual list (i.e. in my head) of people I look at and I never click on the accounts it suggests for me. Am I safe?

I read the article by Michael Deacon , Telegraph November 10th: 'Just stop Oil has become a lethal cult'. In it he quotes Roger Hallam's words from a video he posted online last year entitled 'Advice to Young People As they Face Annihilation'. He talks about a project (climate change) to have billions of people die, which needs to be punished, otherwise the future will consist of war, mass slaughter and the collapse of social systems. He then describes graphically how gangs of young men will come to your house and commit gang rape, then turn on you with a pointed stick and blind you.
Enough?

As easybee has posted

eazybee

I read the article by Michael Deacon , Telegraph November 10th: 'Just stop Oil has become a lethal cult'. In it he quotes Roger Hallam's words from a video he posted online last year entitled 'Advice to Young People As they Face Annihilation'. He talks about a project (climate change) to have billions of people die, which needs to be punished, otherwise the future will consist of war, mass slaughter and the collapse of social systems. He then describes graphically how gangs of young men will come to your house and commit gang rape, then turn on you with a pointed stick and blind you.
Enough?

He talks about a project (climate change) to have billions of people die, which needs to be punished, otherwise the future will consist of war, mass slaughter and the collapse of social systems. He then describes graphically how gangs of young men will come to your house and commit gang rape, then turn on you with a pointed stick and blind you.

We are already seeing the collapse of social systems, war, and have already seen mass slaughter over the years. I believe too that if countries become uninhabitable because of floods, fire, etc, then there will be mass migration. We are seeing that, too.

But I do not have faith in anything Hallam says. He did not understand the Holocaust or its causes, for one thing. He may be a PhD researcher on civil disobedience at King's College London, but he is not (IMO) politically an intellectual or objective thinker.

They are just rent a mob eco terrorists and should be treated as such, they have gone way outside the freedom to protest, just jail them.

MaizieD OK, you asked so here it is - and my apologies to all those who have not seen this clip and are shsocked by what I will be writing

The clip shows Roger Hallam, taking about the results of climate change and the breakdown of society that will follow

'Gangs of men breaking into your house, grabbing your girlfriend or your mother and putting them on the table and gang raping them. Then they rake pointed sticks and heat them up and thrust them into your eyes'.

Oh, how he seemed to enjoy saying it. Just the kind of man to be leading a protest movement, most of whose members seem to be young, clever, but impressionable women.

It echoes 'Clockwork Orange.'
I deliberately didn't copy his exact words because I found them so chilling, that anyone could say such things in a video aimed at young people.

eazybee Well. MaizieD could have done what everyone else has done and looked at the video clip, which is what most of us have done and been profoundly shocked.

But she didn't want to see the video, and wanted what he said summarised so I did. I would have thought that there has been enough about the clip on this thread for her to realise that it was indeed unpleasant and that if she was too scared to watch the video clip, the contents were hardly something to be put in a GN thread, but there you are, there's nowt as queer as folks.

eazybee

It echoes 'Clockwork Orange.'
I deliberately didn't copy his exact words because I found them so chilling, that anyone could say such things in a video aimed at young people.

You're right, it does echo Clockwork Orange.

He, Hallam, also caused controversy over his comments about the Holocaust (basically dismissing it as yet another genocide among many others in history). He said afterwards that his comment had been "misunderstood" and that he wasn't downplaying what happened and that in fact he intended the opposite.

However, he also said that Germany's 'memory of the event' was holding them back...

... holding them back from what? I wonder. I can only think he means holding them back from focusing on Extinction Rebellion's message. Many of the ER have distanced themselves from him and condemned him for these comments.

I can't help but be reminded of the quote 'All truth passed through there stages. First ridiculed, then violently opposed, finally accepted as self-evident '. Guess we're in the second stage. Look at woman's sufferage. A case in point.

DaisyMae The problem is, how do you tell the truth from the untruth, or lies? More to the point, how do you tell those manipulating the truth to their ends from those who aren't?

How can we understand that some time the 'truths' we believe in are not the truth?

M0nica

DaisyMae The problem is, how do you tell the truth from the untruth, or lies? More to the point, how do you tell those manipulating the truth to their ends from those who aren't?

How can we understand that some time the 'truths' we believe in are not the truth?

Guess time will tell.

It's all far too simplistic. They remind me of the demonstrators in the 60s chanting 'Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh' and holding up Mao's Little Red Book as if that would solve the world's problems. Just more cult behaviour. They don't seem to realise ordinary people need fuel to get to work or hospital, can't afford fancy electric cars and can't afford heat pumps.

They're not trying to get individuals to buy, or give up, anything. They are not interested n what you and I do, and I really don't understand why people think that they are targeting individual's actions.

This is from their website:

"Just Stop Oil is a coalition of groups working together to ensure that the government commits to ending all new licenses and consents for the exploration, development and production of fossil fuels in the UK."

Not simplistic at all.

I thought that this might be interesting. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/15/suffragette-grandmothers-heroes-climate-protesters-activists-traffic?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

"Just Stop Oil is a coalition of groups working together to ensure that the government commits to ending all new licenses and consents for the exploration, development and production of fossil fuels in the UK."

Not simplistic? Of course it is.

Why?

Why? Because unless I've missed something they haven't come up with an alternative.

Renewables.

Did you miss that?

I think that the extreme methods of Just Stop Oil are preventing people seeing what it is they are trying to achieve. That's the ending of all new licenses and consents for the exploration, development and production of fossil fuels in the UK.

No new licences. No more exploration or development. That's not the same as expecting you to buy a heat pump.

That's what we need. I don't think everybody is aware of the seriousness of our situation.

M0nica

"Just Stop Oil is a coalition of groups working together to ensure that the government commits to ending all new licenses and consents for the exploration, development and production of fossil fuels in the UK."

Not simplistic? Of course it is.

Simplistic in the extreme.

OK, I'll ask again.

Why?

No I didn't miss that volver but it isn't enough on it's own is it certainly not at the moment. I do agree with you that the extreme measures they're using isn't helping their cause.