Latest Stop Oil protest targets a petrol station.

Why these vandals are tolerated is beyond me.

I’d like to see them all arrested and be told there is no court date available for ages and they have to be locked up whilst they wait. I’d hope that might put some off. I read that the ringleader is presently in prison for a month, with our system he won’t serve the whole month of course !

The problem with 'Stop Oil' is that after years of Austerity, then Brexit followed by the pandemic, lockdowns, etc, and now the impending global recession and the huge increases in the cost of living - people are just not going to be receptive to this kind of protest, however noble the cause.

It’s not a protest it’s criminal damage

I was perturbed to read that stop oil went round universities recruiting youngsters. What’s wrong with that? Well they were told a load of lies perpetrated by the founder Roger Hallam about what would happen. Having your mother and girl friend raped on the table and then having your eyes poked out with a hot stick, apart from the world coming to an end in 2o years with billions dead is not true but builds on the fear of climate change which is all around us. Stop oil has now become like a religious cult with eco zealots following, chanting their mantras and beyond reasoning with.

This has taken an odd turn.

25Avalon

I was perturbed to read that stop oil went round universities recruiting youngsters. What’s wrong with that? Well they were told a load of lies perpetrated by the founder Roger Hallam about what would happen. Having your mother and girl friend raped on the table and then having your eyes poked out with a hot stick, apart from the world coming to an end in 2o years with billions dead is not true but builds on the fear of climate change which is all around us. Stop oil has now become like a religious cult with eco zealots following, chanting their mantras and beyond reasoning with.

25Avalon I find Richard Hallam’s videos and statements disturbing and extremely cult like.

Pleased he is currently in prison I do hope his incarceration does not elevate his cult leader status.

Can the petrol station sue for restraint of trade? Every protest of this kind hurts individuals as well as businesses. I think the notion of “just stop oil” is simplistic and seriously ill informed.

I think the notion of “just stop oil” is simplistic and seriously ill informed.

Their methods are counterproductive but their message is neither simplistic nor ill informed. Why do you think it is?

volver

This has taken an odd turn.

I wonder why?

25Avalon

I was perturbed to read that stop oil went round universities recruiting youngsters. What’s wrong with that? Well they were told a load of lies perpetrated by the founder Roger Hallam about what would happen. Having your mother and girl friend raped on the table and then having your eyes poked out with a hot stick, apart from the world coming to an end in 2o years with billions dead is not true but builds on the fear of climate change which is all around us. Stop oil has now become like a religious cult with eco zealots following, chanting their mantras and beyond reasoning with.

WTF is that about rapes and pointed sticks?

MaizieD that is what Hallam said to persuade impressionable people to join.

It was reported last week as coming from a video made by Roger Hallam; I read the report and found it chilling.

MaizieD

25Avalon

I was perturbed to read that stop oil went round universities recruiting youngsters. What’s wrong with that? Well they were told a load of lies perpetrated by the founder Roger Hallam about what would happen. Having your mother and girl friend raped on the table and then having your eyes poked out with a hot stick, apart from the world coming to an end in 2o years with billions dead is not true but builds on the fear of climate change which is all around us. Stop oil has now become like a religious cult with eco zealots following, chanting their mantras and beyond reasoning with.

WTF is that about rapes and pointed sticks?

MaizieD the video clip of Mr.Hallam saying those things has been all over the internet for several weeks.

He honestly looks disturbed and not in his right mind.

I do at least see the logic of damaging a petrol station rather than a museum though!

It's also obviously criminal damage and all on camera.

I think it's a step forward tbh. I can't understand the links when they are pouring milk, sloshing paint or throwing mashed potatoes.

There is a very thoughtful and considered article on what motivates these protesters in the Daily Mail today. It is by one of the DM's regular columnists, the NHS psychiatrist, Dr Max Pemberton.

He says many young people are gripped by a crippling generalised anxiety and that the climate crisi is something specific to hang this anxiety on.

He comments on the inability of the protesters, most highly educated to cogently argue their case when asked, to explain exactly what it is they want done and, in his words, they seem incapable of putting forward a reasoned argument or of summing up the issues in a way that doesnt fall back on hysterical hyperbole. Some come across as neither rational nor logical

He points out that Elon Musk has done more for the environment by developing mass-produced electric cars than have all these eco-protestors.

He also refers to the darker underbelly of the movement encapsulated in the clip of its leader, Roger Hallam,
twitter.com/calvinrobinson/status/1589685496287879169
who has been described as a cult leader.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

25Avalon

I was perturbed to read that stop oil went round universities recruiting youngsters. What’s wrong with that? Well they were told a load of lies perpetrated by the founder Roger Hallam about what would happen. Having your mother and girl friend raped on the table and then having your eyes poked out with a hot stick, apart from the world coming to an end in 2o years with billions dead is not true but builds on the fear of climate change which is all around us. Stop oil has now become like a religious cult with eco zealots following, chanting their mantras and beyond reasoning with.

WTF is that about rapes and pointed sticks?

MaizieD the video clip of Mr.Hallam saying those things has been all over the internet for several weeks.

He honestly looks disturbed and not in his right mind.

Well I googled and it's not all over my internet.

Just an article about his German lover who is half his age and that they have been seen with takeaways. 😕

He's clearly a bit unusual though...

MaizieD I have given the link, 2 posts up.

Maybe the protesters are getting the idea that their protests aren’t popular, they have gone the wrong way about getting a message across.

He is quoted as saying such in this article.

unherd.com/thepost/green-activism-is-turning-apocalyptic/

Volver I seem to remember you are a Twitter user. Roger Hallam is certainly all over there.
twitter.com/talktv/status/1589645665772404738?s=61&t=yHa3CZFfRcYex7Vvlh817g

I am a twitter reader. I don't follow anyone or give Elon any idea what I'm interested in. Hence the algorithms don't work on me

M0nica

There is a very thoughtful and considered article on what motivates these protesters in the Daily Mail today. It is by one of the DM's regular columnists, the NHS psychiatrist, Dr Max Pemberton.

He says many young people are gripped by a crippling generalised anxiety and that the climate crisi is something specific to hang this anxiety on.

He comments on the inability of the protesters, most highly educated to cogently argue their case when asked, to explain exactly what it is they want done and, in his words, they seem incapable of putting forward a reasoned argument or of summing up the issues in a way that doesnt fall back on hysterical hyperbole. Some come across as neither rational nor logical

He points out that Elon Musk has done more for the environment by developing mass-produced electric cars than have all these eco-protestors.

He also refers to the darker underbelly of the movement encapsulated in the clip of its leader, Roger Hallam,
twitter.com/calvinrobinson/status/1589685496287879169
who has been described as a cult leader.

I can understand why young people - and old people come to that - are gripped by a crippling generalised anxiety. I have felt it myself and pondered over it often.

The 'Stop Oil' movement though theoretically laudable, is IMO treating the symptoms and not the cause of a much wider and far more complex 'issue' (I hate using that word but can't think of another one at the moment as my brain is fogged out with medication). And I believe the issue is the world global elite who control the economic systems, technology, science and the military machines, etc. I'm not into conspiracy theories - it is true though that those who control the money supply are those with the power and that power is invested in maintaining the status quo. An over simplification, but necessary for the sake of brevity, I don't want to lecture, just give my POV.

The production of oil and search for new fields is just a part of this whole IMO. What made me think along these lines is Hallam's almost airy dismissal of the Holocaust as "just another fuckery in history" which makes me think he doesn't quite grasp the political and economic complexities of why oil production is still ongoing.

I'm not expressing myself very well - opiates and blood-pressure medication have slowed me almost to a standstill, but what I'm attempting to say is that where we are now is the result of something far more complicated and problematical, and nothing will be solved by protestors gluing themselves to motorways or hanging off gantries.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

25Avalon

I was perturbed to read that stop oil went round universities recruiting youngsters. What’s wrong with that? Well they were told a load of lies perpetrated by the founder Roger Hallam about what would happen. Having your mother and girl friend raped on the table and then having your eyes poked out with a hot stick, apart from the world coming to an end in 2o years with billions dead is not true but builds on the fear of climate change which is all around us. Stop oil has now become like a religious cult with eco zealots following, chanting their mantras and beyond reasoning with.

WTF is that about rapes and pointed sticks?

MaizieD the video clip of Mr.Hallam saying those things has been all over the internet for several weeks.

He honestly looks disturbed and not in his right mind.

I don't spend my days trawling the internet, I stick to a few sites.

Who was going to rape and do things with pointed sticks is what I wanted to know. And what has it got to do with stopping oil use?