Scarf in Suffragette colours not allowed in Scottish Parliament.

GC feminists are feminists and as such are as entitled as any other feminist to wear their colours with pride. As you have said Rosie not everything is about trans.

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Galaxy

Ooh how dare she day that. How naughty and radical

You don't think there's just the tiniest suggestion that she might be very, very interested in gender critical issues?

(Now I don't know if I'm using the right words or not )

Here's a couple more things she's posted. She is more than entitled to hold these views, absolutely. But please stop trying to say this had nothing to do with trans.

Oreo

Women were picked on by an individual and a pretty idiotic one at that.Why though? There must have been an instruction from somebody higher up in the food chain.
It’s no good shouting volver this has backfired bigtime on the Scottish Parliament.

Perhaps.

I bet they're really pissed off about it.

BTW, the Scottish Parliament isn't Nicola Sturgeon.

Just wanted to clear that up.

Oreo

A jobsworth who had read an instruction that said women were not allowed to wear suffragette colours? In case it offended any trans person? In case a feminist can’t express herself by wearing those colours in the building?
It’s beyond crazy.

Crazy.

Aye.

GC feminists must not presume to speak for or represent all feminists.

If we must stand and be counted, we will

Gransnet is hardly representative of women's views and neither is mumsnet as a whole

Seem really a bit of a refuge for views that aren't tolerated elsewhere and I doubt that will last

Just honestly saying what I think

Women's rights and safety have everything to do with transgender issues, when those rights and safety will be compromised by the inclusion of opposite sex people. For the most part somebody's sex is immaterial, but there are occasions when it matters, and then 'identity' cannot overrule sex.
There is also the concern for children being affirmed and offered irreversible drugs and surgeries at a very young age. Scotland led the way with adjusted sentencing for under 25s because it was stated the brain isn't fully developed until that age, and yet the proposals are to enable children to make life changing decisions about their future ability to have a fulfilling sex life and children. They can't fully understand the impact of lawbreaking but can fully understand the implications of transition?

Do you mean views that are protected by law VS?

My views are. You cant change sex. Women are entitled to single sex spaces under the equality act. There are very serious concerns about the healthcare and support offered to children who may have gender dysphoria ( concerns detailed in the Cass Report) . Not sure which of these views shouldnt be tolerated.

volver

Oreo

Women were picked on by an individual and a pretty idiotic one at that.Why though? There must have been an instruction from somebody higher up in the food chain.
It’s no good shouting volver this has backfired bigtime on the Scottish Parliament.

Perhaps.

I bet they're really pissed off about it.

BTW, the Scottish Parliament isn't Nicola Sturgeon.

Just wanted to clear that up.

No need to.
It’s just that you seem so eager to defend the SNP from your other comments on GN, they and Sturgeon can do no wrong.
In your eyes, of course.
In this case, it matters not a jot if any of the women are gender critical feminists, that’s their affair, but it matters more than a jot if they can’t wear suffragette colours.
Of course they actually can now and I hope whichever of them wants to will do.
Am away now to order myself a scarf in those colours.

There's a lot of casting up of things I've said on other threads. How nice to be so important in people lives.

No galaxy

I think you already know what kind of views I mean but here is a few examples

The view that the actions of a very few make a whole demographic look bad That's discrimination

The view that one can always tell someone is trans despite butch lesbians and masculine appearing women being abused as trans that's sexism

The mere fact that the very same people who said they would never misgender someone or ever be rude about their appearance now do so with more and more venom.

The fact that people who claim to have the best interests of trans people in mind do not ever call out any of the above.

Now I stand here as an intersectional feminist who will not tolerate hate speech from anyone. I will call out any ideals that go against equality or the rights of women, or freedom of choice and I will also do so for trans people.

My ideals do not come second to crowd mentality or any kind of strength in numbers to win arguments and neither do the ideals of any intersectional feminist I have ever met

That's the difference between my movement and yours.

I will not sacrifice any standard, ideal or moral just to have more muscle on my side.

And that's exactly why you all try to shut down any intersectional feminist by any means.

You just can't be honest with yourselves about it

the one woman I have seen just has plain scarf and plain blouse and trousers and I can't see how it came about she was asked to leave

Oh dear I appear to have missed several pages of discussion

grannydarkhair

Yammy the day our late Queen officially opened the Scottish Parliament, she wore a purple suit, gloves and hat. Her top was green and the white was provided by her pearls naturally.

Honestly Granny DH I wasn't making fun. My gran was a suffragette and she backed the Marie Stopes clinics. My great-grandad helped to write speeches for the first Labour M.P. where he lived.
We were all brought up to vote and make a stand for women one of her happiest days was when I went away into further education the first woman in the family to do so.

Also, my friend's grandchild is transing at the moment at Glasgow uni.

Which morals have I sacrificed VS? More muscle ? What on earth are you talking about.

VioletSky

No galaxy

I think you already know what kind of views I mean but here is a few examples

The view that the actions of a very few make a whole demographic look bad That's discrimination

The view that one can always tell someone is trans despite butch lesbians and masculine appearing women being abused as trans that's sexism

The mere fact that the very same people who said they would never misgender someone or ever be rude about their appearance now do so with more and more venom.

The fact that people who claim to have the best interests of trans people in mind do not ever call out any of the above.

Now I stand here as an intersectional feminist who will not tolerate hate speech from anyone. I will call out any ideals that go against equality or the rights of women, or freedom of choice and I will also do so for trans people.

My ideals do not come second to crowd mentality or any kind of strength in numbers to win arguments and neither do the ideals of any intersectional feminist I have ever met

That's the difference between my movement and yours.

I will not sacrifice any standard, ideal or moral just to have more muscle on my side.

And that's exactly why you all try to shut down any intersectional feminist by any means.

You just can't be honest with yourselves about it

This comment is to all GC feminists

Self reflection is key

We will all go away and do as we are told VS .

volver

There's a lot of casting up of things I've said on other threads. How nice to be so important in people lives.

Your note but you can't be forgotten because you are so controversial, argumentative and the written equivalent of vocal. What a reason to be remembered for I would rather be anonymous or better still balanced.

Don't ever go away or be silent

Simply stand up or don't

You've already told me what you "Don't get involved in" galaxy

So I think you must see my point even if you don't want to stand up as an individual in a larger movement

Anyway

Best of luck with it all, the best advice I ever had in life was to choose my friends wisely

Yammy

volver
There's a lot of casting up of things I've said on other threads. How nice to be so important in people lives.
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You’re not but you can't be forgotten because you are so controversial, argumentative and the written equivalent of raucously vocal.
What a reason to be remembered for.

Thank you Yammy. A brilliant summing up.

“I would rather be anonymous or better still balanced.” You manage that very well.

VS
And that's exactly why you all try to shut down any intersectional feminist by any means.
No we don’t. That’s a bit ‘all about me’Mimi.

You just can't be honest with yourselves about it.
Such a self reflective sentence. You just can't be honest with yourselves about it. Reflects you perfectly. Well done VS.

When a group or movement is broken off into subsections it is weakened, because there will always be at least one faction that deems itself as somehow superior to the others.

If we are all feminists then our core belief system should be the same. The rights of women what ever their class, race or religion should be central. Hate speech should neverbe tolerated and you don't have to be an intersectional feminist to know that and live by it.

I see no shutting down of those who say they are intersectional feminists but what I do see time and time again, is the criticism of those who now appear to have been labelled 'gender critical' because they speak the truth that a man cannot be a woman and a woman cannot be a man.

It is those feminists who are are the ones who seem to be being shut down.

I hope all goes well with your friends GC Yammy.

VioletSky

Don't ever go away or be silent

Simply stand up or don't

You've already told me what you "Don't get involved in" galaxy

So I think you must see my point even if you don't want to stand up as an individual in a larger movement

Anyway

Best of luck with it all, the best advice I ever had in life was to choose my friends wisely

What a weird post.

You what now?
Ok I will stand up.
I frequently find the comments made by those who oppose gender critical viewpoints, quite homophobic, the ones where people say lesbians should be more polite about saying they dont want to sleep with men. Sometimes I challenge them, sometimes I dont.

Yammy

volver

There's a lot of casting up of things I've said on other threads. How nice to be so important in people lives.

Your note but you can't be forgotten because you are so controversial, argumentative and the written equivalent of vocal. What a reason to be remembered for I would rather be anonymous or better still balanced.

I quote:

Well behaved women rarely make history.

This woman won't wheesht.

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