How can Sunak stop "illegal" entry for asylum seekers if there is no "legal" way.

Forsythia

And who do you think you are DaisyAnne.you can answer the question so you resort to babbling about other things. Classic Deflection. They are wasting money that’s for sure. Tax payers money being spent on people who arrive here having contributed nothing and are instantly housed, fed, entitled to medical care etc. but you still haven’t provided an alternative to what you think this government should be doing, have you? Just criticism of them and me for asking that question.

In my OP I talked about there being no legal route etc. presumable for some reason your were unable to read that. Others have also added to the answer about how this should be done properly.

How can this be deflection? I couldn't be more direct if I tried. They are a mess. In a recent poll the words used to describe the Conservatives were 'corrupt', 'liars', 'idiot' 'rich' and even swear words like 'cr*p' and 'sh*t', along with 'inept', pathetic', shambles and incompetent.

I was only using words of the level of the last four. Quite restrained when you see what they are doing.

Why is it acceptable for billions of money earned through taxpayers of this country to be spent on migrants who arrive having contributed nothing. Housed in hotels, 3 meals day which they complain about, free to roam around the towns and cities that they’re deposited in, nobody asked for them to be there. Meanwhile, the taxpayers are working supporting this

Agree 100%. We need a harsh system like that of Australia whereby anyone who arrived via an illegal route will never be allowed to settle here. These people should stay in their own country to work or fight for better conditions.

couldn't be more direct if I tried. They are a mess. In a recent poll the words used to describe the Conservatives were 'corrupt', 'liars', 'idiot' 'rich' and even swear words like 'cr*p' and 'sh*t', along with 'inept', pathetic', shambles and incompetent.

That’s not offering a solution though is it. Calling the government names doesn’t address the problem of taxpayers money being spent on people who contribute nothing to this country. And you still haven’t said what they should be doing unlike Siope who wrote a reasonable articulate response to the question.

Name calling is always resorted to by those who can’t answer a question.

And I say again, as a taxpayer I resent my taxes being spent in this way. I’m entitled to say it and I will say it.

Forsythia:

You’re very welcome. It’s a solution that has been proposed by every refugee organisation in the UK for some time.

It would, however, mean this government could not pander to the anti-immigration, anti-human rights wing of its own party, so it prefers to produce undeliverable and illegal policies, waste money, and create unnecessary risks for desperate people.

Siope
Your views and comments are articulate and interesting. Let’s hope your ideas are implemented.
It could lead to a lessening of tensions and an improvement in the system.
Billions being spent on hotels is unacceptable to any tax payer having to fund this. It inflames tensions.

Agree 100%. We need a harsh system like that of Australia whereby anyone who arrived via an illegal route will never be allowed to settle here. These people should stay in their own country to work or fight for better conditions.

How does this work when

-there are no illegal routes for asylum seekers, as there are no illegal asylum seekers;
- the law says asylum seekers (with a minuscule number of exceptions) have to physically be in the UK at the time they claim asylum;
- there are, therefore, no legal ways for the majority of asylum seekers to be assessed anywhere but the UK.

Generally no point in answering some people but that doesn't stop this being an interesting subject.

I have just been listening to a chap on the News suggesting that, as most asylum seekers end up getting asylum we should be letting them work much earlier than we do. This seems sensible to me. He certainly has some good ideas; he was from one of the organisations that supports asylum seekers so, quite usefully, knows what he is talking about.

He did say that "if" Sunak can get the process moving quicker it would be good, but he did seem to doubt that he would be able to. I do too. They seem unable to organise any processing system. People claiming PIP - so disabled - have been told that they must still get claims in on time but that the government has given itself a year in which to process them. No business could run in this way. Saying they are incompetent is not name calling; it's a truth.

Siope

^Agree 100%. We need a harsh system like that of Australia whereby anyone who arrived via an illegal route will never be allowed to settle here. These people should stay in their own country to work or fight for better conditions.^

How does this work when

-there are no illegal routes for asylum seekers, as there are no illegal asylum seekers;
- the law says asylum seekers (with a minuscule number of exceptions) have to physically be in the UK at the time they claim asylum;
- there are, therefore, no legal ways for the majority of asylum seekers to be assessed anywhere but the UK.

Which was where we started on this thread but it bears repeating when we get the comments like those quoted.

No point in answering some people that disagree with you when you can’t offer an alternative but criticism you mean.

However, others have offered solutions to this thorny problem and let us hope somebody somewhere listens and acts on them.

No, Forsythia. No point in rising to the xenophobes.

I don't think anything I wrote would be acceptable to them but that pleases me.

To repeat (and to agree with DaisyAnne) this government will not implement the safe route proposals, because they (the government) rely on creating tension, fostering divisiveness, and fomenting culture wars, to keep the right-wing of their party and voters on board.

If anyone is interested in the piece on PM I referred to above, it is talking about the just released Migration Advisory Committee Report.

You can find it at www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001g35j and it is about 34.50 minutes.

I don’t vote Conservative. But as a taxpayer I am an interested party in what my hard earned money goes on. If that makes me a ‘xenophobe’ I am happy to be one.

Billions wasted on this hotel scheme could be better funnelled into the NHS, schools, to name but two.

These migrants should all be working and contributing. No ifs or buts. The majority are men. They should be out working, contributing. As those of us who fund them living here are doing.

Forsythia

No point in answering some people that disagree with you when you can’t offer an alternative but criticism you mean.

However, others have offered solutions to this thorny problem and let us hope somebody somewhere listens and acts on them.

This subject has been discussed a number of times before on this forum. All the things that Siope detailed have been talked about before on those threads. I'm sorry if you were unaware of this. It'snot new to many posters on this forum and it may have been assumed that it's all been said before and didn't need repeating.

It feels like groundhog day at times.

Billions wasted on this hotel scheme could be better funnelled into the NHS, schools, to name but two.

Do you have evidence for the 'billions'? I feel it's possibly an overestimate.

OTOH, there has been £millions spent on the Rwanda scheme which is being challenged in the courts and is likely to be judged to be illegal.

MaizieD

Forsythia

No point in answering some people that disagree with you when you can’t offer an alternative but criticism you mean.

However, others have offered solutions to this thorny problem and let us hope somebody somewhere listens and acts on them.

This subject has been discussed a number of times before on this forum. All the things that Siope detailed have been talked about before on those threads. I'm sorry if you were unaware of this. It'snot new to many posters on this forum and it may have been assumed that it's all been said before and didn't need repeating.

It feels like groundhog day at times.

It may be Groundhog Day to you but I have never felt the need to read or comment on these issues before.

A conservative MP on the Home affairs select committee asked Suella Braverman how a 16 year old assylum seeker fleeing from an African country in turmoil could legally apply to join his sibling already settled in the UK. She could not answer the question as for refugees like him there is NO LEGAL WAY they could enter the UK.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzRmXt8hMqY

(24 mins from the start)

Figures being thrown around are £7 million a day.
That equals £2 billion, 500 and 55 million.

For that amount of money or less, we should be able to hire a lot of Home Office staff, train them to assess assylum applications fairly, efficiently and speedily and allow the 75% or so whose claims are granted to move out of hotels, find work and settle in this country. Many of them have skills we need and it is absurd that they are not permitted to work.

Forsythia

I don’t vote Conservative. But as a taxpayer I am an interested party in what my hard earned money goes on. If that makes me a ‘xenophobe’ I am happy to be one.

Billions wasted on this hotel scheme could be better funnelled into the NHS, schools, to name but two.

These migrants should all be working and contributing. No ifs or buts. The majority are men. They should be out working, contributing. As those of us who fund them living here are doing.

The migrants want to work Forsythia They live on very little and you will probably have a family living in one room. I doubt you can imagine what that is like. There is no food provided and no facilities to cook. They would much rather earn enough to rent a flat but they are not allowed to so please don't scapegoat them and blame them for the economic chaos.

You sound like you have as much knowledge about the law surrounding asylum seekers as the dreaded Carole Malone does about inactive workers. Like you she, knowing nothing about inactive workers, the other day she was shouting at the camera the other day saying they should all be made to pick crops.

Surely, you need to understand what you are saying before you say it. Almost all people seeking asylum are not allowed to work and are forced to rely on state support – this is as little as £5.84 a day to live on.

A few facts:

The UK is home to approx. 1% of the 27.1 million refugees who were forcibly displaced across the world.

About 1,200 medically qualified refugees are recorded on the British Medical Association’s database. It is estimated that it costs around £25,000 to support a refugee doctor to practise in the UK. Training a new doctor is estimated to cost between £200,000 and £250,000.

The Home Office can take months or even years to make a decision on asylum case, and there is a growing backlog of cases. At the end of June 2022, there were over 117,000 people awaiting an initial decision on their asylum case.

There is no such thing as an ‘illegal’ or ‘bogus’ asylum seeker. Under international law, anyone has the right to apply for asylum in any country that has signed the 1951 Convention and to remain there until the authorities have assessed their claim,

Source: The truth about asylum.

Forsythia have you ever met an asylum seeker? They are mostly people who want to work but are unable to do so. Many of them are qualified and have skills this country could use. They want to contribute and pay taxes. But they are stuck in limbo where they are unable to work, have no idea how long their case will take, can get little information from the authorities and still do not know if they will be returned to the country they fled from. Some of them become involved in volunteer work which helps the community and gives them a focus, but they cannot do paid work. If you object to paying taxes tell your MP to get the system changed, process applications quickly and efficiently and allow asylum seekers to work whilst they wait a verdict. Then they will be paying tax as well.

This government raises the immigration issue whenever it wants to deflect attention from the fact that, after 12 years of their governance, the UK is broken. Put the ‘blame’ on desperate people searching for sanctuary or a better life rather than addressing the real issues and the real culprits - the Conservative government, supported by the right wing media.

By the way Forsythia you're not unusual in being a taxpayer. Every single person in the UK who buys anything or uses any service is a taxpayer.

MaizieD

Here we go...

Albanians...

It's the currently acceptable racist adjective.