Scotland's Gender Recognition Reform Bill to be debated today 20 Dec & voted on 21 Dec

volver

Six years Bridie22. Six Years.

But that's irrelevant. What the Westminster government is saying is that they can stop the Scottish Government passing laws if it doesn't like them.

There was a lot of nothing happening during those six years.
There were also two public consultations, the complete results of which were not made public - because the public didn't agree with the proposals, I wonder?

The 'committee process' was hurried through in recent months, with several who wished to give evidence being told there was no time for them - women survivors of sexual violence and detransitioned people, for instance.
Wouldn't you think time should be made for them as 'lived experience ' was something the committee claimed to want to hear?

It's not simply because the UK government doesn't like the Bill, as anyone knows if they've been paying attention.

volver

The tactic of telling big lies wasn't originated by Hitler, it was a piece of anti-Jewish propaganda that he initiated and used to justify his actions.

Bit of history education needed here, maybe.

(It's analogous to that thing they say about car crashes here. I can't look away.)

Sorry, I don't claim to know the details about Hitler and a big lie.
I just inferred from what the woman said and from the fact that Hitler did use a big lie to justify persecution of Jewish people.

She would have been better not to mention Hitler but did anyone genuinely think she meant something horrifying by what she said?

Not keen on baileys so opted for a double red wine 🍷

There's something wrong with your Baileys.

Just keeping you right volver!!!🍷 no problem.

We will!😂

Yes, I know Bridie. Thanks for explaining to me the constitution as it pertains to Scottish devolution, but it really wasn't necessary. It really wasn't.

Hope you enjoy your adorable Baileys.

Typo Oreo, should say Double 🍷🤣

I will make one as adorable as you like Bridie22 😁

Make mine adorable Oreo!

Volver...the uk government will use Section 35 of the Scotland Act to prevent the new law coming into force.
This allows Alister Jack to prevent the legislation being passed by Royal Assent.
So Rishi is involved big time.

This calls for a large Baileys Bridie22 🍹

I bow to your superior knowledge, but no challenge without Rishi input !

Alister (one "l") is the one who decides.

He doesn't need a go ahead from Rishi.

Think the majority of Scottish biological women will be pleased its being challenged.

Who is your comment aimed at volver ,rishi is giving the go ahead to Allister , keep up !

this is going to do nothing to help relations between Scotland and the rest of the UK.

No s***, Sherlock.

Yes thatscexactly what they are saying, and I for one are pleased they are challenging this law.

Not Rishi; Alister.

Try to keep up.

I think it is a good thing that it has been blocked, and I know that Scottish friends of mine are extremely relieved, but it's by no means an all-round good thing that Westminster has blocked a SP law. I think it was an ill-conceived law, based on cliched and unfounded tropes that are never backed up with facts or stats, (ie that transpeople are 'the most marginalised and vulnerable group in society') but this is going to do nothing to help relations between Scotland and the rest of the UK.

One good thing is that there does seem to be a thawing of the refusal of the media to discuss the matter. India Willoughby and Helen Joyce were on Good Morning Britain this morning, Laura Kuenssberg discussed it with Keir Starmer on Sunday, and Politics Live covered the story too. Even Jeremy Vine has touched on the topic, although of course he's left it to panel members to put their necks on the line. Until recently it has seemed as though everyone was scared to do anything but mutter about 'most marginalised and most vulnerable' or that 'it's complex', so it's good to see at least some of the fear of being accused of transphobia for asking questions might be lifting.

Bridie22

Excellent move Rishi.

Yup, tories doing something right.

Grandmabatty

This Bill, whether you agree with it or not, was decided by the majority of the Scottish Parliament, including Labour etc. Most of the parties voted yes. It wasnt an SNP vote only. The decision by Sunak et al to block it, is a retrograde step and has angered many in the Scottish Parliament, not just SNP.

It’s because it will affect the whole UK.

Six years Bridie22. Six Years.

But that's irrelevant. What the Westminster government is saying is that they can stop the Scottish Government passing laws if it doesn't like them.

This bill was rushed through the Scottish Parliament without due attention to consequences and lots of questions were not allowed the time to be safely debated.

This Bill, whether you agree with it or not, was decided by the majority of the Scottish Parliament, including Labour etc. Most of the parties voted yes. It wasnt an SNP vote only. The decision by Sunak et al to block it, is a retrograde step and has angered many in the Scottish Parliament, not just SNP.