The Tories are in sight of their goal aren’t they?

Their goal is to privatise medical provision. They want the American version. The NHS will be relegated to a British version of Medicare. Those who can pay will....just as long as they don't get TOO sick, when their insurance will either become unaffordable or no longer obtainable.

In answer to your question, whilst the majority either turn a blind eye, or are unprepared to fight, is a resounding "yes".

Another yes from me. But I am not convinced that even if Labour win the next election that they will prevent privatisation from happening, although they might pretend that it can't be helped.

There will be no reaction from the sleeping public until they are presented with the cost of the insurance, by which time it will be too late.

Not so sure the public is asleep, but frightened and unsure which way to turn. It needs a strong leadership group to take up each hardship case and make sure it isn’t forgotten.

Well yes they are and I really see no commitment to stopping privatisation in the labour party either. We are heading for a two level system. One thing I would like to see is all links between MPs and private health care providers made illegal. The level of involvement is extraordinary. In 2014 there were 70 MPs with links. This is interesting reading www.everydoctor.org.uk/blog/private-healthcare-politicians
I can't imagine anything more corrupt.

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In 14 years as a doctor I’ve never known such horrific conditions. Patients dying on trolleys with zero dignity. Or screaming & moaning in corridors. Dickensian overcrowding, total implosion. Despair. Weeping staff. Abject misery.

That’s a powerful image.

I often wonder what has to happen to get us storming parliament
Criticise labour and the other opposition parties but focus anger on the years of Tory misrule
We need the barstewards out. That has to be the aim

The names of M.P.s with links to or donations from private health providers is something I would also like to see Glorianny

Ilovecheese

The names of M.P.s with links to or donations from private health providers is something I would also like to see Glorianny

Yes, so would I.

And many of the 'public' have been bought with backhanders in the form of operations in the private sector.

There should at least a national conversation about what we want.

Well whitewave we are having the conversation. How do we widen it, involve the mp’s and the public

This is a great website and organisation - "Every Doctor".
There's a map showing where services have been privatised. Unfortunately it makes me fear we can never reverse this trend. Have a look and see what you think.
www.everydoctor.org.uk/nhs-privatisation-map

Not sure that's a Banksy.

Glorianny

This is a great website and organisation - "Every Doctor".
There's a map showing where services have been privatised. Unfortunately it makes me fear we can never reverse this trend. Have a look and see what you think.
www.everydoctor.org.uk/nhs-privatisation-map

Well we completely reversed a private health care system to a national one in 1947, so it is totally possible.

It is all about the political will.

“As an aside

Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 45% (-1)
CON: 19% (-3)
GRN: 9% (+3)
LDEM: 8% (-)
REF: 8% (-)”

Whitewavemark2

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Rachel Clarke

@doctor_oxford
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In 14 years as a doctor I’ve never known such horrific conditions. Patients dying on trolleys with zero dignity. Or screaming & moaning in corridors. Dickensian overcrowding, total implosion. Despair. Weeping staff. Abject misery.

A powerful image and a true one.
Have seen this with my own eyes.
Add in turning away patients including children who should be admitted for lack of space and beds and not being able to find antibiotics for prescriptions from A&E.
Many many hours waiting to be seen sitting on a hard chair with no food or drink.

Ilovecheese

Another yes from me. But I am not convinced that even if Labour win the next election that they will prevent privatisation from happening, although they might pretend that it can't be helped.

I don't think they will be pretending I think in the end some form of privatisation will be the only solution.
The NHS is now broken and at times like a third world country.
It’s either privatisation or putting up taxes as well as earmarking more money for it, new hospitals, far more staff and making use of priorities.That means prioritising ill patients and less for anything else fancier.

Whitewavemark2

Glorianny

This is a great website and organisation - "Every Doctor".
There's a map showing where services have been privatised. Unfortunately it makes me fear we can never reverse this trend. Have a look and see what you think.
www.everydoctor.org.uk/nhs-privatisation-map

Well we completely reversed a private health care system to a national one in 1947, so it is totally possible.

It is all about the political will.

“As an aside

Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 45% (-1)
CON: 19% (-3)
GRN: 9% (+3)
LDEM: 8% (-)
REF: 8% (-)”

We did Whitewavemark2 but there were committed Labour politicians and even a few Tories with morals.
Now I fear we only have MPs with vested interests, a lot of ambivalent MPs and a few who entirely oppose privatisation. I wonder what we could do to change that.
I also wonder if the complicated nature of the services privatised would make things much less easy than with the small hospitals and GPs in 1947.

If not a NHS why not a not for profit insurance system, with guaranteed care for those unable to pay, and no government interference?

There must not be a tiered level of care either.

We should look to Europe and not USA as the model

Oreo

Ilovecheese

Another yes from me. But I am not convinced that even if Labour win the next election that they will prevent privatisation from happening, although they might pretend that it can't be helped.

I don't think they will be pretending I think in the end some form of privatisation will be the only solution.
The NHS is now broken and at times like a third world country.
It’s either privatisation or putting up taxes as well as earmarking more money for it, new hospitals, far more staff and making use of priorities.That means prioritising ill patients and less for anything else fancier.

Do you mean providing a very basic system with anything not life-threatening, such as hip operations, only for those who can pay?

The NHS is only "broken" because it's been a deliberate choice and has been starved of resources.

The country could choose to fund it properly - although I suspect the ones who can afford to pay for themselves won't like having to fund other people too.

In any case, it wouldn't require eyewatering amounts of funding because salaries would be taxed and go straight back to the Treasury.

Well put taxes up then Oreo.

As regards the Labour Party and privatisation, they will inherit a system that is part public and buys into private care. They won't be able to reverse this for a long time given the lack of resources now purely int he public sector. But as a L party member I know no one who wants to move towards further privatisation and my Labour MP certainly doesn't.

Here is the 10 year plan laid out by the Labour Party.
Read its focus yourself.

labour.org.uk/press/labour-to-deliver-10-year-plan-for-change-and-modernisation-of-the-nhs/

Whitewave2 not just here right now, just seen this on a French Facebook site I’m on.

Just watched a report on French news. Hospital emergency services are in crisis with some hospitals having to leave patients in the corridors. A hospital in Strasbourg have said its worse than during Covid and they are overwhelmed. Influenza Covid and Bronchial problems are rife. People are asked to téléphone 15 for advice rather than turning up at emergecies. Stay safe ladies and remember antibiotics will not treat a virus. Your pharmacy can also give advice...on this note A healthy, peaceful and happy New Year to you all xxx