The Tories are in sight of their goal aren’t they?

The false idea that the State has a limited amount of money to spend is a Tory myth begun by Thatcher when she 'explained' the budget in terms of the housekeeping money which, for almost everyone, is limited. The State can borrow, raise taxes and print money unlike the housekeeper. It's simply a matter of political choice and the Tories choose not to fund public services adequately.

Iam64 it’s not the cost of childcare in this example but with 3 children my friend was unable to stretch herself any further. This is with a very supportive set of grandparents and a very highly paid husband!

Ilovecheese

We were warned that this would happen if the Tories won the last election, but not enough people listened. This is on everyone, including Labour MPs and staffers who worked against a Labour win.

Nothing to do with standing Corbyn as potential PM then?

DaisyAnne

Ilovecheese

We were warned that this would happen if the Tories won the last election, but not enough people listened. This is on everyone, including Labour MPs and staffers who worked against a Labour win.

Nothing to do with standing Corbyn as potential PM then?

It's a bit much to blame members of the LP who elected Corbyn in a democratic vote for the Tory victory.

There was loads of evidence of right wing party officials acting against the party, the people Starmer paid off.

Glorianny

DaisyAnne

Ilovecheese

We were warned that this would happen if the Tories won the last election, but not enough people listened. This is on everyone, including Labour MPs and staffers who worked against a Labour win.

Nothing to do with standing Corbyn as potential PM then?

It's a bit much to blame members of the LP who elected Corbyn in a democratic vote for the Tory victory.

There was loads of evidence of right wing party officials acting against the party, the people Starmer paid off.

And you (I assume you are a member ) will lose again it you continue with the left/right arguments within the party as you are.

DaisyAnne

Glorianny

DaisyAnne

Ilovecheese

We were warned that this would happen if the Tories won the last election, but not enough people listened. This is on everyone, including Labour MPs and staffers who worked against a Labour win.

Nothing to do with standing Corbyn as potential PM then?

It's a bit much to blame members of the LP who elected Corbyn in a democratic vote for the Tory victory.

There was loads of evidence of right wing party officials acting against the party, the people Starmer paid off.

And you (I assume you are a member ) will lose again it you continue with the left/right arguments within the party as you are.

If what you are saying is that I should shut up and ignore or condone wrongdoing in order to win an election I completely reject that. I do now realise why corruption and wrong doing are an intrinsic part of politics now though, and why the Tories are riddled with it. If you ignore it at ground level how can you object to it higher up?

I wouldn't tell anyone to "shut up". I'm just saying those voters Labour needs to attract are just not interested in this sort of inward attack that came from Ilovecheese.

You carry on Glorianny. I won't say anything again. I'll just look at a party that at least starts off not tearing itself apart.