William Hit Harry (The Guardian)

Everything I've said has been written about in the press so threatening me to keep quiet because you don't like I'm saying is a bit pathetic. How accusations have been thrown at Meghan over the years that had no concrete evidence.

Andrew openly admitted that he stayed friends with Epstein and even went out to see him after his first conviction. its documented that Prince Charles stayed in touch with Peter Ball after his first conviction. I've not accused anyone of actually being a sex offender but I think staying friends with one is far worse than writing a kiss and tell because raping children and trafficking human beings is unforgivable.

The establishment has let these people down and the Royal family is part of the Establishment.

Whatever makes you think I have no idea of the secrecy that is the shield and sword of the paedophile I have no idea WR.

WellsRose, we need to remember that Andrew wasn’t tried, and whatever you or anyone else may like to think he’s innocent until proven guilty.

I don’t know what great disservice you think Charles has done and can only assume you’re referring to his admission of adultery with the woman who is now his wife. He isn’t some serial philanderer and he has been happily married for many years to the person he should have married in the first place. Would you deny them their happiness? Should he have taken a vow of chastity, wear a hair shirt and practise self-flagellation?

You may get very worked up about people trafficking and paedophilia but implying anyone’s involvement in or support of such activities without firm evidence could land you in serious and very expensive trouble, believe me.

Germanshepherdsmum

But nobody has kept quiet about these friendships have they? They are well known.

Fine to publish your life story but not to damage, or put in harm’s way, so many in the process,

I’m sure we are well aware of the culture of secrets and lies which enables paedophiles to operate, but it’s libellous to suggest that people participated in that culture without firm evidence.

You didn't seem to know about them.

Glorianny

So it's OK to have a brother linked with a man convicted of trafficking girls, to support a convicted sex offender and to have a close friendship with another sex offender and to keep quiet about it all,
But publish your life story and you're completely in the wrong.
Don't people realise that it is this culture of secrets and silence that enables abusers to prosper.

You know what I think would be great. All the abuse survivors of Saville, Ball, Epstein and Maxwell as well as the people who are taking action against Lord Mountbatten stand outside the Coronation holding placards of who they are. That would wake the establishment up.

don’t people realise that it is this culture of secrets and silence that enables abusers to prosper
Thanks Glorianny for confirming what anyone with the vaguest interest or knowledge in sex offending knows.

This thread is aimed at the relationship between these brothers. Their education in schools where abuse was common is relevant but of course, never talked about

But nobody has kept quiet about these friendships have they? They are well known.

Fine to publish your life story but not to damage, or put in harm’s way, so many in the process,

I’m sure we are well aware of the culture of secrets and lies which enables paedophiles to operate, but it’s libellous to suggest that people participated in that culture without firm evidence.

Germanshepherdsmum

I don’t hate them. I don’t know them. But I am very disappointed in their behaviour and feel that Harry has done many people, including his own family, a very great disservice.

He hasn't done as much disservice as Andrew or Charles

I can't get worked up about the feelings of the RoyAl family, they get plenty of adulation and wealth just for being born so I'm sure they can weather a bit of criticism.

However i get very worked up people trafficking and paedophilia.

So it's OK to have a brother linked with a man convicted of trafficking girls, to support a convicted sex offender and to have a close friendship with another sex offender and to keep quiet about it all,
But publish your life story and you're completely in the wrong.
Don't people realise that it is this culture of secrets and silence that enables abusers to prosper.

I don’t hate them. I don’t know them. But I am very disappointed in their behaviour and feel that Harry has done many people, including his own family, a very great disservice.

Germanshepherdsmum

I agree that sex offenders cleverly hide in plain sight and are often very plausible. There’s no reason to believe that Savile’s actions were known to Charles. I believe that Charles was brought up to see some good in people, as did his mother, and it would have been the act of a true Christian to keep in touch with Ball after his fall from grace; consider the thief on the cross next to Jesus.

But you seem to hate Harry and Meghan.

Savile was a puzzle to me. He always came across to me as sleazy, and rather repulsive, yet so many people couldn't seem to see through him.

He knew who to cultivate and how to present the right image to them. I don’t believe for a moment that they had any idea of what he got up to - he was far too clever for that, with all the publicity of his charitable work.

Saville was very friendly with Diana too

I agree that sex offenders cleverly hide in plain sight and are often very plausible. There’s no reason to believe that Savile’s actions were known to Charles. I believe that Charles was brought up to see some good in people, as did his mother, and it would have been the act of a true Christian to keep in touch with Ball after his fall from grace; consider the thief on the cross next to Jesus.

Knowing and believing are different I fear

Iam64

Saville groomed Thatcher and members of the royal family. Sex offenders often hide in plain site, as Saville did. I was first warned about him in 1965, aged 16 when a 17 year old friend took me into Manchester, to the club where he was dj. She told me not to request a record or he’d invite me back stage. She added I’d probably be too old for him because he really only went for 12 and 13 year olds.

So she knew about him. I really don't buy that Charles didn't know.

Saville groomed Thatcher and members of the royal family. Sex offenders often hide in plain site, as Saville did. I was first warned about him in 1965, aged 16 when a 17 year old friend took me into Manchester, to the club where he was dj. She told me not to request a record or he’d invite me back stage. She added I’d probably be too old for him because he really only went for 12 and 13 year olds.

Interview KC1 on ITV

Glorianny

And apparently wanted Saville to help with making the monarchy more popular. I do wonder given the high level of security given to Charles that no whisper of Saville's activities came to light. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/06/prince-charles-repeatedly-sought-jimmy-savile-advice-documentary-claims

It stinks that victims only came out after Savile died. What hold did Savile have over someone. He was bloody knighted

Iam64

As WellsRose says, Prince Charles continued to support Peter Ball after Ball accepted a police caution. It’s important to remember, accepting a caution is a guilty plea. Some forces had a policy of never cautioning but prosecuting sex offenders. This ensured they accepted/were found guilty and as importantly, were given a sentence that included engaging in work aimed at reducing the risk of re-offending.
As far Saville, ‘rumours’ existed about his sexual offending from the early 1960’s. He was a sinister individual.

Thank you. I get a bit emotional when speaking about sex offenders so I don't articulate well

And apparently wanted Saville to help with making the monarchy more popular. I do wonder given the high level of security given to Charles that no whisper of Saville's activities came to light. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/06/prince-charles-repeatedly-sought-jimmy-savile-advice-documentary-claims

As WellsRose says, Prince Charles continued to support Peter Ball after Ball accepted a police caution. It’s important to remember, accepting a caution is a guilty plea. Some forces had a policy of never cautioning but prosecuting sex offenders. This ensured they accepted/were found guilty and as importantly, were given a sentence that included engaging in work aimed at reducing the risk of re-offending.
As far Saville, ‘rumours’ existed about his sexual offending from the early 1960’s. He was a sinister individual.

ronib

WellsRose apparently KC3 only hitched up with Camilla again after his marriage to Diana had broken down irrevocably. Still not ideal and very sad. This is not Christianity in action.

How do you know this?

welbeck

that man's name was peter ball. he was a bishop.
and the monarch is supreme governor
of the c of e.
not head.

Sorry what's your point? I'm talking about a paedophile. Titles don't mean anything to me.