Keir Starmer, yearly review

It made me smile. Always voted labour and will vote labour in the next election. I underestimated him, I thought he would make the labour party electable, but probably not be PM. It's looking more and more likely that he will prove me wrong.

Not keen before and not keen now.

But he's better than what we have at present.

I think he is growing in stature, and talks a lot of sense. Sorry Ilovecheese I’m guessing that’s not the kind of response you’re hoping for.

He seems ok generally but am not happy where he stands on the trans issue.
Also he’s talking about no money for public services.Is this what people want to hear?

I've lost any enthusiasm I might have had for him initially and just hope he's playing a clever game for the right wing media; because some of the rather dogmatic things he's said, like ruling out the single market, and now all the rubbish about the 'government chequebook'.

But I shall have to vote Labour at the next GE because the tories are infinitely worse and they have to go.

I just hope that Starmer in office with a decent majority turns out to be more radical and adventurous than he appears to be now.

Oreo

He seems ok generally but am not happy where he stands on the trans issue.
Also he’s talking about no money for public services.Is this what people want to hear?

He isn’t talking about no money for public services oreo, not sure where you picked that up from, it wasn’t in his speech?
‘Although he acknowledged investment was needed after the "damage" done by the Conservatives to public services, he warned Labour would not be "getting its big government chequebook out".
From BBC News

Casdon

I think he is growing in stature, and talks a lot of sense. Sorry Ilovecheese I’m guessing that’s not the kind of response you’re hoping for.

No, I am hoping to find something to like and be enthusiastic about in his intentions. I don't enjoy feeling disheartened by him.

BBC news same as you Casdon
Not getting it’s big government cheque book out for public spending does suggest he doesn’t want to spend much money on public services.
Which, let’s be honest here is what is really needed, in fact loadsa money on public services is desperately needed and the NHS and getting social care sorted top of the list.
His message on that is no different to Sunak.

Wouldn't it be best if people actually watched what he said before commenting. Of is "making it up" now the done thing.

DaisyAnne it’s on the BBC online news services.

It’s going to be an uphill job once Starmer is in power, but I had hoped for a lot of spending on run down public services.

I think that the "big checkbook" comment was a swipe at Truss and her ideas. He is saying we cannot spend our way out of the hole we are currently in.

I voted Tory for many years but cannot in all conscience now support them after the sleaze and incompetence of the past decade. I suspect that I will be not so much as voting for labour but rather voting against the Tories.

I did watch, can’t post the live speech though. Here’s his actual words, from Sky News this time.

‘But he warned the audience his promises "should not be taken as code for Labour getting its big government chequebook out again".

"Of course, investment is required - I can see the damage the Tories have done to our public services as plainly as anyone else," Sir Keir said.

"But we won't be able to spend our way out of their mess - it's not as simple as that.

"There is no substitute for a robust, private sector, creating wealth in every community."

He is right. He’s not saying that there won’t be a lot of spending on public services, he’s saying that there isn’t a blank chequebook. I’m not sure that most of the public realise that the ills of the public sector are not only about money, they have been rudderless for 12 years, and throwing cash at services won’t wave a magic wand and resolve the problems overnight.

I am in favour of devolution in England too, not that it directly affects me.

Throwing more cash at social care would really help!
Governments can spend what they want to on certain things, but often choose not to.

MaizieD

I've lost any enthusiasm I might have had for him initially and just hope he's playing a clever game for the right wing media; because some of the rather dogmatic things he's said, like ruling out the single market, and now all the rubbish about the 'government chequebook'.

But I shall have to vote Labour at the next GE because the tories are infinitely worse and they have to go.

I just hope that Starmer in office with a decent majority turns out to be more radical and adventurous than he appears to be now.

My thoughts exactly.

Oreo

DaisyAnne it’s on the BBC online news services.

Thanks Oreo. It's here too.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAEBbX6xn50

Oreo

BBC news same as you Casdon
Not getting it’s big government cheque book out for public spending does suggest he doesn’t want to spend much money on public services.
Which, let’s be honest here is what is really needed, in fact loadsa money on public services is desperately needed and the NHS and getting social care sorted top of the list.
His message on that is no different to Sunak.

I thought he was saying he wasn't Corbyn when he said that. No "back to the Socialism of the late 40s" but a more pragmatic mix of state and private. But I may hear that because it's what I want to hear.

I also liked his ideas for returning some powers to the regions. I don't know how possible this is, but listening to another opposition frontbencher later, she described the power Andy Burnham has taken so that Social Care and NHS can work as one in his area. I would like to know more about that.

Again though, this will appeal to me because I am not a statist. Corbyn and the left of Labour definitely are. I am very community orientated which has not, generally, been Labour.

I find Sunak a bit of a wet lettuce at the moment. Yesterday sounded like a "let's get in there first and say something, anything, before Starmer does" speech; it was thin to an exteme. But again, I don't want the far right back in any more than I want the far left in, so I would see it like that, wouldn't I?

I suppose it comes down to how many from the centre think he is saying what they want to hear. He needs those voters. He also needs some who voted Conservative because of Brexit. You could hear what he was saying directly to them. I agree with what he said. They did have a lot to complain about; but they went for the wrong (and much lied about) solution. Taking back control needs to mean putting control back in their hands.

Whitewavemark2

MaizieD

I've lost any enthusiasm I might have had for him initially and just hope he's playing a clever game for the right wing media; because some of the rather dogmatic things he's said, like ruling out the single market, and now all the rubbish about the 'government chequebook'.

But I shall have to vote Labour at the next GE because the tories are infinitely worse and they have to go.

I just hope that Starmer in office with a decent majority turns out to be more radical and adventurous than he appears to be now.

My thoughts exactly.

But that is because you are both far left and now is not the time for him to appeal to you. He has a tough job appealing to those from the centre who might vote for him and those who voted for a Conservative Brexit.

My worry will be that he actually goes more in your preferred direction. Yours will be that he goes more in mine. His will be that he appeals to all three of us.

DaisyAnne

Whitewavemark2

MaizieD

I've lost any enthusiasm I might have had for him initially and just hope he's playing a clever game for the right wing media; because some of the rather dogmatic things he's said, like ruling out the single market, and now all the rubbish about the 'government chequebook'.

But I shall have to vote Labour at the next GE because the tories are infinitely worse and they have to go.

I just hope that Starmer in office with a decent majority turns out to be more radical and adventurous than he appears to be now.

My thoughts exactly.

But that is because you are both far left and now is not the time for him to appeal to you. He has a tough job appealing to those from the centre who might vote for him and those who voted for a Conservative Brexit.

My worry will be that he actually goes more in your preferred direction. Yours will be that he goes more in mine. His will be that he appeals to all three of us.

I agree with you DaisyAnne. It reminds me of that Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers song ‘Let’s call the whole thing off’

DaisyAnne

Whitewavemark2

MaizieD

I've lost any enthusiasm I might have had for him initially and just hope he's playing a clever game for the right wing media; because some of the rather dogmatic things he's said, like ruling out the single market, and now all the rubbish about the 'government chequebook'.

But I shall have to vote Labour at the next GE because the tories are infinitely worse and they have to go.

I just hope that Starmer in office with a decent majority turns out to be more radical and adventurous than he appears to be now.

My thoughts exactly.

But that is because you are both far left and now is not the time for him to appeal to you. He has a tough job appealing to those from the centre who might vote for him and those who voted for a Conservative Brexit.

My worry will be that he actually goes more in your preferred direction. Yours will be that he goes more in mine. His will be that he appeals to all three of us.

I wish you would drop this 'far left' thin, DaisyAnne. It's getting really, really annoying. You don't actually have a clue about my political affiliations, so stop it.

I wouldn't be surprised if Wwmk2 doesn't feel the same.

I thought he was trying to appeal to conservative voters tbh and I trust him more with social care than I do the current lot as I've witnessed first hand the lack of investment and the ferocity of austerity on the services people receive via social care and for people needing long term care (and their carers) it is short sighted as their needs become more complex.

I tried listening but the sound went half way through- apparently there were gremlins!!!
What I heard sounded so general and non-specific I hope he became more detailed.
I did think about what won Blair a victory. He made 10 pledges.

Labour's Key Pledges:
EDUCATION : Summer schools for poor readers phase out pounds 100 million assisted places scheme and use money to cut primary class sizes to below 30 for 5 to 7-year-olds no return to 11-plus further drive to connect schools and colleges to information superhighway at no cost every child to have access to computer and high quality educational material.
EUROPE: Complete integration of 1992 single market blueprint by mid-1998, opening up telecommunications, energy and financial service markets to British firms
EMPLOYMENT: Welfare-to-work programme for 250,000 young people, funded by windfall tax
CRIME: Ban on private ownership and possession of handguns

CONSTITUTION: Devolution for Wales, Scotland and London directly-elected authority for London abolition of hereditary votes in Lords

LOTTERY: Divert 20 per cent of funds for good causes to education , enviroment and public health improvements
SLEAZE: Ask Nolan committee to investigate political funding and legislate to identify party political donations

Just realised only 7 copied I'll find the rest!

MaizieD

DaisyAnne

Whitewavemark2

MaizieD

I've lost any enthusiasm I might have had for him initially and just hope he's playing a clever game for the right wing media; because some of the rather dogmatic things he's said, like ruling out the single market, and now all the rubbish about the 'government chequebook'.

But I shall have to vote Labour at the next GE because the tories are infinitely worse and they have to go.

I just hope that Starmer in office with a decent majority turns out to be more radical and adventurous than he appears to be now.

My thoughts exactly.

But that is because you are both far left and now is not the time for him to appeal to you. He has a tough job appealing to those from the centre who might vote for him and those who voted for a Conservative Brexit.

My worry will be that he actually goes more in your preferred direction. Yours will be that he goes more in mine. His will be that he appeals to all three of us.

I wish you would drop this 'far left' thin, DaisyAnne. It's getting really, really annoying. You don't actually have a clue about my political affiliations, so stop it.

I wouldn't be surprised if Wwmk2 doesn't feel the same.

Totally agree Maizie! More than annoying- total nonsense and not got a clue.