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A certain book

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AussieGran59 Wed 11-Jan-23 08:48:53

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 22-Jan-23 14:17:42

So I’m nearly at the end of the book.

An extraordinary upbringing both boys had.

Both narcissistic parents often absent and it showed in their behaviour.

Both boys very screwed up for different reasons.

William as heir has been instilled with a bizarre outlook on his entitlement, and expectations on how those near to him should behave.
Harry was neglected and frankly out of control for much of his young life. Just when he needed guidance and care the most - it was absent.

Both come cross as very immature both intellectually and emotionally.

All that aside, I think that the British media without question is out of control in their reporting of the RF. The RF act in what appears to be fear of the MSM, much of what has happened has occurred because of this relationship. We can trace the complete breakdown of the relationship between the family members to the msm and the RF relationship with it.

Anniebach Sun 22-Jan-23 14:48:43

It’s true because Harry says it’s true ?

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 22-Jan-23 14:56:06

Just what I was wondering Annie.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 22-Jan-23 15:08:40

Anniebach

It’s true because Harry says it’s true ?

Is that addressed to me?

Joseanne Sun 22-Jan-23 15:17:44

Well, I tried to look for good when reading the book, and although a lot of heart searching has gone on by Harry, I believe underneath there were many in the family just doing their best with the lives they had been given, particularly Charles as a parent.
The media has a lot to answer for.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 22-Jan-23 15:22:36

joseanne that is exactly what I got out of the book.

The RF are undoubtedly a very dysfunctional unit, but made much, much worse by the British media.

GagaJo Sun 22-Jan-23 15:43:15

Anniebach

It’s true because Harry says it’s true ?

It's his experience. However anyone else interprets that is up to them.

Anniebach Sun 22-Jan-23 16:17:33

Harry’s truth

GagaJo Sun 22-Jan-23 16:21:54

Everyone has their own truth.

Sparklefizz Sun 22-Jan-23 16:32:09

I see today that Harry's flying training he describes in the book is "complete fantasy" according to his instructor.

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 22-Jan-23 16:48:00

Well there’s a surprise.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 22-Jan-23 16:51:11

Sparklefizz

I see today that Harry's flying training he describes in the book is "complete fantasy" according to his instructor.

There we go again - media - how would the flying instructor, who spent no more than a few days with the prince know any more than you are I?

Of course there may well be exaggeration in the biography- most biographies contain a certain amount I’m sure, but whilst reading it, I was able to verify much of what was said concerning the media, because I remember reading it, it watching it on documentaries about the RF. But at the very least it can be followed up on google etc. so very easy to verify.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 22-Jan-23 16:59:34

What I think is important is to be able to, as far as possible know the truth about the way the media behave, and it is certainly relatively easy to find that out. In a way none of the media’s behaviour should surprise, as time after time, we know that they lie, exaggerate and obfuscate the truth.

This has a direct bearing on our democracy and has serious repercussions in the U.K. In this case it is the RF that bear the brunt, but we know of thousands of people whose lives have been destroyed by this rabble

However, my opinion about a family whose lives bear no relationship whatsoever with anyone is clouded by that fact I think.

Mamie Sun 22-Jan-23 17:29:56

I think I said upthread that I ended the book thinking that nobody should be asked to live their lives like that because of an accident of birth. The press are awful, but so are the demands of the public at times. How can anyone live a normal life in those circumstances?

Joseanne Sun 22-Jan-23 17:56:35

Sparklefizz

I see today that Harry's flying training he describes in the book is "complete fantasy" according to his instructor.

It's interesting that ex military men are able to speak out and say Harry's accounts are untrue.

I feel a lot details about Eton and Ludgrove might have been untrue and shouldn't have been included in the book, especially stuff about named members of staff. These things were seen through a child's eyes, and not always from a reliably accurate.

As an aside, from someone who knows, schools like Eton, (I am not a fan), and Ludgrove would never come out and say anything either way. Their specialist lawyers -Farrers GSM? - would be straight onto their media consultants whose advice is usually to keep quiet. We will never know.

Joseanne Sun 22-Jan-23 17:58:06

*from a reliably accurate perspective.

MawtheMerrier Sun 22-Jan-23 18:07:16

There we go again - media - how would the flying instructor, who spent no more than a few days with the prince know any more than you or I?

Ahem, who is likely to know about PH’s flying instruction if not his instructor ?

Whitewavemark2 Sun 22-Jan-23 19:45:48

The post suggested that the instructor said the book was complete fantasy.

If he meant that his time spent with PH was complete fantasy why didn’t he say so? I suspect what he meant was that the prince exaggerated.

That may well be true, as I have said in my reply.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 22-Jan-23 19:51:05

However I am not going to defend or criticise the prince. That does not interest me, however what does interest me is the role of the media, and its interaction with the RF.

Anniebach Sun 22-Jan-23 20:07:53

You have defended him by your post , Harry was neglected, both were screwed up, this you conclude after reading that book.

Smileless2012 Sun 22-Jan-23 20:12:30

I don't agree Whitewavemark that Sparklefizze's post says the book was complete fantasy; she posted that H's instructor has said that the training H says he received is "complete fantasy".

MawtheMerrier Sun 22-Jan-23 20:13:29

Whitewavemark2

The post suggested that the instructor said the book was complete fantasy.

If he meant that his time spent with PH was complete fantasy why didn’t he say so? I suspect what he meant was that the prince exaggerated.

That may well be true, as I have said in my reply.

Sparklefizz Sun 22-Jan-23 16:32:09
I see today that Harry's flying training he describes in the book is "complete fantasy" according to his instructor

Harry’s flying training was what I read and how I understood it.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 22-Jan-23 20:25:38

I’m not taking issue with the chaps job, I am taking issue with his comment that the book is complete fantasy.

He knows no more than you or I.

However, if it is being reported by the media— enough said.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 22-Jan-23 20:35:55

Oh that’s embarrassing😳. I’ve read that post about a dozen times and misread it each time.

So I apologise for my confusion and will go back to square 1.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 22-Jan-23 20:36:47

Anniebach

You have defended him by your post , Harry was neglected, both were screwed up, this you conclude after reading that book.

No that is what I took away from the book.

I would be interested in what you thought of the book annie