Sometimes I am ashamed

God it takes ages to find talk guidelines on MM, I thought terf was one of the words they had banned if aimed directly at people.

MN even

What human rights do transpeople not have that non-trans people do? It's a very simple question that should be very easy to answer, and yet I've never seen an answer........... is that because there are no common rights transpeople are denied? If it's extra rights that are being sought then that should be clearly stated. Being pro women and girls is not to be anti-trans unless to be pro-trans is explicitly anti-women and girls.

The problem is, VS your comment about JKR was sneery. It fits perfectly your post
I do worry when people are so invested in a cause they must create scapegoats as an outlet.
You chose JKR for your scapegoat. Does that make you feel good?

Show me the vile extremists-like those attacking JKR, those carrying ‘behead’ posters attacking females, who do that from the female side, since you say you’ve seen on both sides.

We can’t have a constructive discussion with people who won’t stand up and condemn the actions of some TIM and violent TRA as wrong, and admit that they are harming not only females, but also the whole trans movement.
We can’t have a constructive discussion, where people refuse to do that, and hide behind claims of transphobia.

Oh dear

Show me where I called anyone that, I sincerely did not

If you want to use that to get me banned from gransnet, then please do so but let the record stand now in a comment that won't be deleted that I have never and would never call anyone here that and didn't think anyone here had the same goals as that. To have trans people eradicated from society or "excluded" by any means

If the agenda is to have me banned, I am sure enough people will report to achieve that so go ahead and I hope it makes you happy...

I won't lose any (more) sleep tonight over it

It's used frequently to describe GC feminists, people are called terfs for holding the belief that you cant change sex, that women need single sex spaces etc. In fact if you wont say the magic words you are usually called a terf. No I wont be reporting, that is not really my thing.

And I have said frequently I only discuss these issues here on gransnet

Literally no time for other forums

I was replying to the words in the signs of the OP

I won't try to change my fate on this one, perhaps moderators will see the context, perhaps not but your comment made the way forward clear galaxy

So let's see what happens

Maybe it's time, and I almost made it to actual grandma hood too

Damn lol

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Re your posts about ‘authentic selves’ I have a question about this item that was on the news tonight.
A transgender woman has been found guilty of raping two women in attacks carried out before she changed gender.
Isla Bryson committed the crimes in Clydebank and Glasgow in 2016 and 2019 while known as Adam Graham.^
The High Court in Glasgow heard that the 31-year-old has now started the process of gender re-assignment.
Can you explain ‘authentic self’? Which authentic self was Adam/Isla when he was raping the females?
In your view, should this male person be placed in a female prison unit?

I will never understand how anyone can be so invested in a cause they can't see how abusive their behaviour is.
You obviously don’t see how your own behaviour can be seen as abusive, when you are so invested in inferring that people you don’t know are terfs, so your admission of lack of understanding is accurate.

If the agenda is to have me banned, I am sure enough people will report to achieve that so go ahead and I hope it makes you happy...
I’ve never attempted to have you banned. What makes you feel you’re that important?
It does concern me that banning others might be on your agenda, since you mention banning twice in one post, and I have been warned about you previously.

Never heard of terfs. Never heard of Karen’s, either until I came on gransnet. We live sheltered lives down here, obviously.

We do have Teals, though- do you have those?

I've just been listening to a medley of Scots tunes on Classic FM. It's Burns Night, of course.😊 Last night there was a programme on TV about the impact that migration has had, and continues to have, on Scotland

So sentimental old me realised that I'll never be ashamed of my country. We've had all sorts of things happen in the past; massacres, clearances, selling out of the people by a Parcel of Rogues, you name it, we've had it.

So, will I be ashamed of the country of my birth because some politicians do something I don't approve of and a bunch of bams make an unpleasant sign? Nope. We've come through worse. A bit of perspective is needed, I think.

“My country right or wrong”?

Quote Mollygo Wed 25-Jan-23 02:59:59
Re your posts about ‘authentic selves’ I have a question about this item that was on the news tonight.
A transgender woman has been found guilty of raping two women in attacks carried out before she changed gender
Isla Bryson committed the crimes in Clydebank and Glasgow in 2016 and 2019 while known as Adam Graham
The High Court in Glasgow heard that the 31-year-old has now started the process of gender re-assignment
Can you explain ‘authentic self’? Which authentic self was Adam/Isla when he was raping the females ?
In your view, should this male person be placed in a female prison unit?
I was horrified but not surprised Mollygo I understand he is indeed to be sent to a women’s prison.
At the risk of being accused of being flippant, if he is a woman he really needs to find a different place to keep his tissues and lipstick .

MawtheMerrier

“My country right or wrong”?

No, not in the slightest.

Just an appreciation that the people I don't agree with aren't the whole country and that I wouldn't be ashamed of 2,000 years of history, and 5.4 million people just because I don't like the government and some people are bams.

MawtheMerrier

Quote Mollygo Wed 25-Jan-23 02:59:59
Re your posts about ‘authentic selves’ I have a question about this item that was on the news tonight.
A transgender woman has been found guilty of raping two women in attacks carried out before she changed gender
Isla Bryson committed the crimes in Clydebank and Glasgow in 2016 and 2019 while known as Adam Graham
The High Court in Glasgow heard that the 31-year-old has now started the process of gender re-assignment
Can you explain ‘authentic self’? Which authentic self was Adam/Isla when he was raping the females ?
In your view, should this male person be placed in a female prison unit?
I was horrified but not surprised Mollygo I understand he is indeed to be sent to a women’s prison.
At the risk of being accused of being flippant, if he is a woman he really needs to find a different place to keep his tissues and lipstick .

Amazing that she managed to do that without self-ID and they have managed to keep her in a segregated part of the prison.

Its almost like self ID wouldn't have made any difference at all.

Amazing that she managed to do that without self-ID

Do what?
Rape two women then when things got sticky, decide he was really or wanted to be a woman ?
Given how he had treated the 2 women he had raped, it shows a very skewed identification with women.

VD
Amazing that she managed to do that without self-ID and they have managed to keep her in a segregated part of the prison.

Its almost like self ID wouldn't have made any difference at all.

Does that make it OK? You’re so busy defending wee Nic that you don’t seem to care that he raped women?

MawtheMerrier

I don't understand why you should be ashamed of your country because of the actions of a handful of people living in it?

Scottish people don't en masse go around waving placards demanding violent retribution on others, do they?

A lens louse waiting for an opportunity - found it - and now everyone's in uproar. How representative of Scotland do you think this individual is? These types exist everywhere, probably in every country.

Agree *volver.

He’s playing the system and making a mockery of self ID. Showing just how easy it would be to abuse.

I'm neither proud nor ashamed of my country, which I see as being the UK. I agree that it is made up of individuals, some of whom I admire and some quite the reverse.

In the same way as I get irritated when people start going on about 'some regions' voting for Brexit, when the referendum wasn't set up like that, I don't understand Nationalism in any of its forms. I see nations as the result of the fact that hundreds of years ago one gang beat another in a bloody fight, and boundaries were drawn. Islands like the UK are based on a slightly different premise, but the principle is sort of the same.
I'm pleased I live here and not Ukraine or Saudi, but I'm not proud of the way this country is being run just now. A lot of things that have happened in my lifetime have not been done with my consent or approval, but to some extent they were done in my name, and I'm not happy about that.

Anyway. I'm still unsure (but uneasy) about just who is behind the current trans agenda. It seemed to spring from nowhere and if unchecked will radically alter the foundations of our society, yet people (Some People, anyway ) are happy to make snap decisions based on 'kindness' or 'feelings' and allow these changes to happen. The 'rights' and 'wrongs' of that aside, does that seem remotely sensible? If you follow the money, it is Big Pharma who profits from this, and if you follow the chain of power it seems to me to have something to do with patriarchal fear of women 'getting above ourselves', but I'm still not sure whose driving it all.

full makeup to give the impression that he is a she, and no attempt to cover up his male appendage; a woman with a penis!!!

Mollygo

VD
Amazing that she managed to do that without self-ID and they have managed to keep her in a segregated part of the prison.

Its almost like self ID wouldn't have made any difference at all.

Does that make it OK? You’re so busy defending wee Nic that you don’t seem to care that he raped women?

So on a thread mainly about Self ID, Maw introduced a cutting about a rapist in order to make a point and yet you think I'm the one who doesn't care about what this person did, and I just want to make point?

Aye, right.

😕

Granniesunite

Agree *volver.

He’s playing the system and making a mockery of self ID. Showing just how easy it would be to abuse.

I'm sorry, I don't think we agree at all Granniesunite.

She did all these things without the existence of SelfID and I'd rather be worried about the rapists we have today than worry that in the future they might self ID. She's done everything that we're meant to be scared of, and SelfID doesn't exist.

Let's just worry about rapists, whoever they are.

Scotland does not have a ‘second house’ which could press pause and reflect. Full steam ahead then for Sturgeon’s laws?