Sometimes I am ashamed

How the Scottish Parliament voted on the GRR bill:

Who supported it:
9% of the Conservatives
90% of Labour
100% of Lib Dems
86% of SNP
100% of Greens

Sturgeon's Laws?

Interesting point, Urmstongran

Which are the checks and balances on the Scottish Parliament?
apart from pesky Westminster interfering?

Proportional representation. The committee system. The Independent Fiscal Commission.

But no, we don't have a second house based on the patronage of old PMs full of people who mainly go there to sleep, claim expenses and do what they're told.

And you do have Nicola Sturgeon - says it all.

VD
So on a thread mainly about Self ID, Maw introduced a cutting about a rapist in order to make a point and yet you think I'm the one who doesn't care about what this person did, and I just want to make point?

Aye, right.

Have you got your facts right?
And if males can do that without self ID you would justify the introduction of self ID because . . .

Maw 😂😂😂

volver

Proportional representation. The committee system. The Independent Fiscal Commission.

But no, we don't have a second house based on the patronage of old PMs full of people who mainly go there to sleep, claim expenses and do what they're told.

Well, we do need an elected Upper House.

However, sometimes they wake up and stop something just wrong going through.

MawtheMerrier

And you do have Nicola Sturgeon - says it all.

Aye - the leader of the party that nearly 50% voted for? What a country this is, giving people what they want...

Mollygo

VD
So on a thread mainly about Self ID, Maw introduced a cutting about a rapist in order to make a point and yet you think I'm the one who doesn't care about what this person did, and I just want to make point?

Aye, right.

Have you got your facts right?
And if males can do that without self ID you would justify the introduction of self ID because . . .

Because Self ID has got nothing to do with whether someone is a rapist or not.

🤷🏼

I'm starting to wonder what you are talking about, though...

Aye - the leader of the party that nearly 50% voted for?
What a country this is, giving people what they want

And you ask me why I am ashamed of it?
Should be obvious.

Suddenly claiming to be a woman when you're an intact male found guilty of 2 rapes, in order to be sent to a women's prison is everything to do with self ID, is it not?

Aha. So now we know.

Not only are you ashamed of your own country, you think the people in it make bad decisions because you don't like that person leading the party they vote for. Not sure if its their style or their politics you don't like, no matter.

Showing your true colours Maw.

VD
I'm starting to wonder what you are talking about, though...
Don’t worry about it VD. I’ve noticed some things will always be beyond your comprehension.

Sparklefizz

Suddenly claiming to be a woman when you're an intact male found guilty of 2 rapes, in order to be sent to a women's prison is everything to do with self ID, is it not?

NO.

How often does this need to be said?

She's done that already. It wouldn't make a blind bit of difference if Self ID was already here, because she has done what she's done without Self ID. She didn't need Self ID to be a rapist, or claim to be a woman or be sent to a woman's prison. If Self ID comes in it won't make any difference to how she is treated.

When a rapist, who by legal definition can only be male, is referred to as 'she' because that's what he wants, this world has gone crazy. The court didn't believe his claim that his victims consented, but totally believe his claim he is a woman. Why couldn't he be incarcerated in a segregated part of the male estate, why pander to his wishes to be housed in the female estate? I wonder if his victims were expected to use female pronouns for him, just to further abuse them.

Mollygo

VD
I'm starting to wonder what you are talking about, though...
Don’t worry about it VD. I’ve noticed some things will always be beyond your comprehension.

When they are literal nonsense I certainly don't understand them or the mind of the person who thinks them up...

volver Your reply isn't logical.

Sparklefizz

volver Your reply isn't logical.

Yes it is. What's not logical about it? Seriously, what's not logical about it?

Chicken and egg Volver

I have made no secret of my long held opinion of a) the SNP in general and currently b) Nicola Sturgeon in particular.

Well, perhaps you could move to Scotland and vote them out.

Nobody will become a rapist or sex abuser because of self ID but it will facilitate easier access to potential victims when they're in a vulnerable position ie hospital wards, refuges, changing rooms or other areas where there could be a reasonable expectation of a single sex space.

Are you implying I am not entitled to my opinion because of where I live now?
No, I’m content to stay in the United Kingdom as are the majority of Scots-as evidenced by the last referendum.

Rosie51

Nobody will become a rapist or sex abuser because of self ID but it will facilitate easier access to potential victims when they're in a vulnerable position ie hospital wards, refuges, changing rooms or other areas where there could be a reasonable expectation of a single sex space.

Sensible post Rosie51 - self-ID as proposed in Scotland is indefensible

Rosie51

Nobody will become a rapist or sex abuser because of self ID but it will facilitate easier access to potential victims when they're in a vulnerable position ie hospital wards, refuges, changing rooms or other areas where there could be a reasonable expectation of a single sex space.

So.

Given that we don't have Self ID at the moment and that is what all the fuss is about.

A rapist has decided he's really a woman and wants to live as such. They are on the path to transition. We've had all sorts of comments about how they look like a man (the lipstick stuff). Everybody has to call them "she". They are going to a woman's prison, but being segregated, because that option is always open to the Prison Service irrespective of who you are.

And so having a piece of paper saying they are a woman would have changed things how?

MawtheMerrier

Are you implying I am not entitled to my opinion because of where I live now?
No, I’m content to stay in the United Kingdom as are the majority of Scots-as evidenced by the last referendum.

Of course you can have your opinion.

But perhaps your shame about a country you don't live in making laws that won't affect you, could be assuaged by actually trying to change that country instead of carping from the sidelines?