Woman found guilty of raping two women. Remanded in custody for sentence end February

I genuinely don't understand why fact-based feminists are portrayed as unreasonable or extremist.

I'm pretty sure I have never seen anyone on here say anything 'exclusionary' or discriminatory - quite the reverse, really. People go our of their way to say that they are happy to accept transpeople as transpeople, and are not bothered about how they live their lives, so long as they don't try to eradicate women as a sex.

I'd be very interested to know what people disagree with, if anything.

Rosie51

Just seen on Twitter that Scottish police have confirmed this rapist's crimes will not be recorded as a man's crimes, they will be added to the women's crimes. Then they use these lies to say there's no increase in male offences.

This is simply outrageous.

Bryson committed the crime as a man - rape.

Before his conviction, he self-identified as a woman.

A man rapes two women - so the crime gets recorded as one committed by a woman.

Is the world going mad?

Why are we allowing this?

That's what I meant by data being recorded to obscure reality. We can't prove any sex-based discrimination or disadvantage when 'woman' means whatever men want it to mean.

Doodledog

That's what I meant by data being recorded to obscure reality. We can't prove any sex-based discrimination or disadvantage when 'woman' means whatever men want it to mean.

It's not even logical is it?

The science of reasoning has just flown out of the window.

Is there not an extra 'column' in this data-entry - a "nota bene" - which indicates that this offence was committed during a period in the criminal's life when 'she' was a 'he', for the sake of accuracy?

This felon who violated two women with his penis, declares he's now a woman, and rocks up in a blond wig, a bit of 'lippy', wearing a pink puffer jacket and sporting a pink handbag. Is this what womanhood is reduced to?

VioletSky

Actually it was a question Mollygo

I'm not requesting anything apart from honest respectful discussion

VioletSky

I also want trans people integrated into society without any cost to women.

vs VS
It’s not as if anyone one on here wouldn’t agree with that.
In fact,
until the uprising of the increasing group of the following, I doubt if anyone even noticed, or gave a passing glance at TIM, or even felt the need to identify them.

TIM who took jobs specified for females for the support of females
TIM who cheat in order to deprive females of rightful awards
TIM who publicly accessed female safe spaces and used that access for their own perverted pleasure
TIM who denied lesbians the right to turn down sexual access to their bodies
TIM et al, who lost females their jobs for stating biological truths
TIM et al, who threatened very publicly to hurt females and their families or behead anyone who doesn’t support them

Until this sickening wave of TIM and TRA actions, I doubt if anyone even noticed, or gave a passing glance at TIM. Certainly I have been told that “they’ve been around for ages and you never noticed”.

Of course as I’ve said many times, the TIM actions I’ve mentioned above by people displaying their authentic selves , have damaged the public perception of trans, possibly for ever.

Many females have not been afraid to speak out against these actions, even when their attempts to do so have been hampered by violence from T&F.

Some females have supported the actions by being TRA and endorsing the actions I mentioned.

Some females have supported the actions by their refusal to join in the condemnation of those TIM, hiding behind the claims of saying they’re wrong is transphobic.

Some females have supported the actions by adding words to the title of feminist, and changing the meaning to mean something different, so they don’t have to support females against the harmful actions of some TIM.
Any polite, respectful discussion which points this out (and there have been many instances of such points being raised) is dismissed by some posters as being anti ALL trans.

There cannot be a polite respectful discussion whilst that claim, which is a falsehood, is used as a shut down.

I'm not requesting anything apart from honest respectful discussion

I’ve started an honest respectful discussion.

Please add to the honest, respectful discussion how you imagine, after all the damage done by the small group of ‘fake’ trans, that this is possible.

Mollygo

What does vs VS mean? My name is Violet.

I'm sorry but I can't get on board with blaming groups for the actions of individuals

It's not logical

There is an awful lot of comments that have misunderstood what I said.

I've read back and my comments seem clear to me

Do you disagree with anything in my post of last night VS?

Why would I say I wouldn't expect you to apologise for or denounce hate speech against trans people otherwise doodledog?

I doubt you accept people like that as GC even should they call themselves that

Could someone please clarify if the man convicted of two rapes has changed his name legally from Adam Graham to Isla Bryson, by deed poll? I do not mean by use of the self-identification policy, 'because that is how he chooses to identify'. He has not legally changed gender, although he is seeking surgery for gender re-assignment.

Not forgetting the very obvious "bits" in his leggings
I am reminded of this anecdote

When a male dancer in Coward's London revue Sigh No More forgot to wear the proper support, Noel said to the choreographer: "For God's sake, go and tell that young man to take that Rockingham tea service out of his tights "

Sorry- meant to include this

This felon who violated two women with his penis, declares he's now a woman, and rocks up in a blond wig, a bit of 'lippy', wearing a pink puffer jacket and sporting a pink handbag. Is this whatwomanhood is reduced to ?

Even if these crimes had been committed when he was identifying as a woman, they should be recorded accurately as a man's crime.

And they should be recorded under his legal name.

VioletSky

Why would I say I wouldn't expect you to apologise for or denounce hate speech against trans people otherwise doodledog?

I doubt you accept people like that as GC even should they call themselves that

Sorry but that doesn't make sense. I am just trying to see whether we do, in fact, agree in our approach to transpeople. I spelt out what I would like to see happen, and wondered what, if anything, you would object to.

I have nothing to apologise for - I have never issued death threats or hate speech.and neither have I asked you to apologise on behalf of transpeople. Did anyone, or have you taken that upon yourself?

Always agree with all your posts on this subject Doodledog.
This person is a man because he is intact and has used his intact penis to violate women.

VS

I'm not requesting anything apart from honest respectful discussion

Any polite, respectful discussion which points this out (and there have been many instances of such points being raised) is dismissed by some posters as being anti ALL trans.
There cannot be a polite respectful discussion whilst that claim, which is a falsehood, is used as a shut down.

Please add to the honest, respectful discussion how you imagine, after all the damage done by the small group of ‘fake’ trans, that this is possible.

VS I'm sorry but I can't.

Exactly.

eazybee

Could someone please clarify if the man convicted of two rapes has changed his name legally from Adam Graham to Isla Bryson, by deed poll? I do not mean by use of the self-identification policy, 'because that is how he chooses to identify'. He has not legally changed gender, although he is seeking surgery for gender re-assignment.

I changed my name (a bit of it anyway) by Deed Poll, but was assured that it's not legally necessary by the Notary that did it. All you need do is inform the necessary authorities that you have chosen to be called xxx.

However, doing it by DP does make life easier - especially when applying for a passport - which is why I did it.

Maybe the Law has changed? I don't know - this was back in the 80s.

It's a discussion, this isn't a point scoring debate and I don't have all the answers

There are a lot of issues I agree are issues but my agreement is taken from me or ignored based on my accepting trans women are women

That's unfair

If you want to put solution based discussion aside and simply discuss whether we accept trans women as women, I'd assume after all this time we know we aren't changing stance

That's the core of the disagreement VS.

Exactly

People ask me why I don't consider a rapist a genuine trans women and want explanations

I haven't got one that isn't feeling based

But maybe that's not the right question anyway

Do I see a rapist as a man or even a human?

No, I see them as more akin to animals

VS
If you want to put solution based discussion aside and simply discuss whether we accept trans women as women, I'd assume after all this time we know we aren't changing stance.

I accept that you realise you have no solution.

I’m happy to discuss whether we accept transwomen as females.

The appellation Women has been turned by some into a generalised word, like children, so saying a man can call himself a woman doesn’t really mean anything, except where it’s used to imply men can change sex or to perpetuate wrongdoing by males.

That’s my basis for an honest discussion.

That's not really shown out in discussion as a principle though

A large part of the issue is that criminals have the same rights as the rest of us

Whether that is right or wrong isn't the fault of trans people

If it were my choice I'd say violations of other humans remove human rights. How can it remove the right to literal freedom but not a whole host of other rights?

I think we are getting that wrong

Add in if all prisoners deserve the removal of other rights.. I can see how it's difficult

Thank goodness I'm not in charge of these things

VS
That's not really shown out in discussion as a principle though
What on earth is that supposed to mean?

Your last post seems to be another avoidance tactic VS,
though I appreciate and agree with your last sentence. 🤣🤣🤣

OK Mollygo