Woman found guilty of raping two women. Remanded in custody for sentence end February

His estranged wife laughed herself silly and said it was just a sham. He also enrolled on a beauty course as a woman. The young women who were on that course now feel violated as they had to strip down to apply fake tan in front of his ogling.

This man has done genuine trans women a serious mis service.

Thank you Dickens for your answer. I would think that in a court case it would be essential to use the full legal name, otherwise it would be difficult to track previous history.
The news reports I have read do include this man's name and also his alias.

I have not got a political party representative of my views. Cannot vote for the Conservatives and whilst this is Labour’s stance never will they see my X next to them on the ballot paper.

VioletSky

That's not really shown out in discussion as a principle though

A large part of the issue is that criminals have the same rights as the rest of us

Whether that is right or wrong isn't the fault of trans people

If it were my choice I'd say violations of other humans remove human rights. How can it remove the right to literal freedom but not a whole host of other rights?

I think we are getting that wrong

Add in if all prisoners deserve the removal of other rights.. I can see how it's difficult

Thank goodness I'm not in charge of these things

This is pretty much what I was saying upthread, about drug addicts/acoholics who are forced to go without, people not having a sex life, and mothers who have to leave their babies etc. When I said it it was countered with 'whatever you want/need, doodledog', but then you say the same thing a bit later, as though it is something you've just considered.

It's not about point scoring, and of course there is no reason why we can't agree on anything; but what is so annoying is that you set yourself against the rest of us, saying that you are the one who has to tell us how ridiculous we are, and that you can't apologise on behalf of transpeople when nobody asked you to, and generally working from the assumption that you know more and are coming from a higher place than everyone else.

At no point do you appear to recognise that often you counter something in a fact-based post by using exactly the same reasoning, such as when we say that it is a worry that some men will fake being trans to get access to women. Can you really not see that when you argue against that by saying that anyone accessing women's spaces dishonestly is a fake transwoman, it is the same thing? And can you not see how annoying that is?

Heaven help women if Labour ever get into power GrannyGravy.

The issue being discussed on this thread is to do with a man found guilty of raping two women, initially being housed in woman's prison because he now self ID's as a woman. I can't see what criminals have(ing) the same rights as the rest of us has to do with it.

Especially when in this particular case, the criminal was asking for 'rights' that fly in the face of women to have their spaces, a woman's prison in this case, free of men as inmates.

I think lisa nandy will be reverse ferreting as fast as she can, that's from a previous case isnt it? both Yvette cooper and David blunkett have spoken out in the last couple of days.

Galaxy

I think lisa nandy will be reverse ferreting as fast as she can, that's from a previous case isnt it? both Yvette cooper and David blunkett have spoken out in the last couple of days.

Yep. I'll be interested to see if David Lammy suddenly remembers his biology lessons, too.

Would be extremely beneficial to the Labour Party if Keir Starmer did so too, providing of course that he can say what a woman is.

Galaxy

I think lisa nandy will be reverse ferreting as fast as she can, that's from a previous case isnt it? both Yvette cooper and David blunkett have spoken out in the last couple of days.

I heard Yvette Cooper, if she was leader of the Labour Party I would seriously consider lending them my X

Have you seen Owen Jones saying 'this is the right decision' it would be hilarious if the issue wasnt so serious.
Ok this is my crystal ball time . I knew Johnson was finished as PM when Ant and Dec made a joke on prime time TV about him being prime minister 'for now' I was watching with my son and said that's it hes finished.
Owen Jones doing a reverse ferret is the beginning of the end.

Feel politically homeless as I will not vote for the Tories and Labour don't seem to know what a woman is. Basic biology lessons may help them to understand.

Keir has to lead it, I think. I've never thought that the others believed the mantra - it was clearly something they had been told to say, to avoid a backlash from the TRAs.

I have mixed feelings about this. Given that the media is very anti-Labour, and given that they did such a hatched job on Corbyn, Keir started at the bottom of a very steep mountain. The last thing he needed was to be given the same treatment as JKR, or others who have got on the wrong side of the trans lobby. Prevarication was probably the most pragmatic way forward.

What I do dislike is the way people like Rosie Duffield have been treated, and the fact that we could have got to where we are heading (I hope) a lot faster if she hadn't been left to fight the feminist fight without backup.

It was not long ago that Yvette Cooper was unable to say what a woman is.
Political expediency.
All that is needed is common sense.

Galaxy

Have you seen Owen Jones saying 'this is the right decision' it would be hilarious if the issue wasnt so serious.
Ok this is my crystal ball time . I knew Johnson was finished as PM when Ant and Dec made a joke on prime time TV about him being prime minister 'for now' I was watching with my son and said that's it hes finished.
Owen Jones doing a reverse ferret is the beginning of the end.

Oh, fabulous!

Where can I see this? I have a feeling that it will be like watching Michael Portillo lose his seat in 1997.

It's on his Twitter and he is saying it in reference to this case and is absolutely not recanting TWAW but you can imagine that he is getting some backlash for it, from both 'sides'.

Isn't it time people stood up to this minority group of aggressive males?
TRAs are aggressive men who will actively try to destroy anyone who disagrees with them with violent threats.
There is strength in numbers and I don't believe many people agree with their stance. They are afraid of these bullies but the TRAs have 'wokeness' on their side and are using it to force people to accept their views.

Thanks Galaxy.

People have tried to stand up to them, AGAA4, but they have to be rich, like JKR, or very brave, like Maya Forstater, Kathleen Stock or Allison Bailey to deal with the sustained abuse.

I applaud those who do stand up to them but as individuals they don't stand a chance. Very brave of them though.

AGAA4

Isn't it time people stood up to this minority group of aggressive males?
TRAs are aggressive men who will actively try to destroy anyone who disagrees with them with violent threats.
There is strength in numbers and I don't believe many people agree with their stance. They are afraid of these bullies but the TRAs have 'wokeness' on their side and are using it to force people to accept their views.

Well said. TRAs are aggressive men…

doodledog

I hadn't seen you say that actually but the page doesn't always refresh properly

Whatever you want/need was a reply to a different thing you asked me

But so many of your replies to me are antagonistic and I don't stop reading when it becomes personal as, it will just make me moody and I will write a moody reply.. so it could be the rest of the reply was after that bit

I want to reply not react

Do not don't

Honestly very tired today

VioletSky

Do not don't

Honestly very tired today

Violet You are going to think me sarcastic, but I’m honestly not being - but you don’t have to be on here all of time fighting your corner
It’s supposed to hold at least a degree of pleasure

Blinko

AGAA4
Isn't it time people stood up to this minority group of aggressive males?
TRAs are aggressive men who will actively try to destroy anyone who disagrees with them with violent threats.
There is strength in numbers and I don't believe many people agree with their stance. They are afraid of these bullies but the TRAs have 'wokeness' on their side and are using it to force people to accept their views.
Well said. TRAs are aggressive men…

Unfortunately some TRA are also aggressive women, who endorse the actions of the aggressive men.

But Fanny how else would I ever procrastinate?

I do probably check my phone a bit too often, it's a modern day curse many of us suffer