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Woman found guilty of raping two women. Remanded in custody for sentence end February

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Iam64 Wed 25-Jan-23 08:34:52

Apologies for my technical inability to link, maybe some one will.
This individual says they were confused from age 4 about gender identity. S/he has been taking hormones and told the court s/he wants ‘all the surgery the nhs can give’. Defence council argued there are three vulnerable women in the case, his client and the women. The defendant pleaded not guilt, arguing the sex was consensual. Both women gave evidence that they resisted, told him no but his strength overcame resistance. The jury clearly believe the women.
He’s ric to a women’s prison, but will be kept in solitude.
We need prison facilities for these kind of offenders. I understand they’d be vulnerable in men’s prisons but they should not be in women’s prison.

Galaxy Fri 27-Jan-23 16:23:35

You should see the state of my house today because I have been on here instead of actually doing something.

FannyCornforth Fri 27-Jan-23 16:23:47

There is that!

Me too, I’ve been dreadful for it today.

Mollygo Fri 27-Jan-23 16:28:44

FC and Galaxy - I hope your time on here today has given you a degree of pleasure.
It certainly does that for me, whether it’s reading about air fryers, playground games or other people’s holidays. Even just for entertainment, it beats watching much of the stuff on TV.

VioletSky Fri 27-Jan-23 16:31:20

The problem with housework is there are two types of people

Those who think that fairies keep it clean by magic and those who know gremlins make it dirty and walk around muttering "I just bloody cleaned that".

My house is clean and tidy most of the time but only because I'm lazy and know if I get too far behind it will be a huge effort to catch up again

Yet I still spend more time procrastinating cleaning than actually cleaning... no fairies here

Mollygo Fri 27-Jan-23 16:45:32

FannyCornforth

There is that!

Me too, I’ve been dreadful for it today.

FC. I’ve found having a dog increases housework snd the incentive to do it. Something to do with dog hairs and muddy paws, even though she’s brushed regularly and noodled when she’s been out.
What’s your greatest incentive to do housework?

FannyCornforth Fri 27-Jan-23 16:56:40

Molly It was moving house.
I’ve decided to not move house for the foreseeable.
I’m a lost cause 🤦‍♀️

GrannyGravy13 Fri 27-Jan-23 17:05:37

I am on Granny duty, playroom trashed, lounge trashed and I am kn*****ed.
It’s like herding cats have to get 3 & 5 yr olds ready to go out to local Italian restaurant now that the other 3yr old and 7yr old have gone home.
Fingers crossed they sleep well as they are here until tomorrow evening 😴😹

Callistemon21 Fri 27-Jan-23 17:20:39

I cleaned and decluttered two cupboard shelves in the kitchen today. 👏

Callistemon21 Fri 27-Jan-23 17:27:15

GrannyGravy13

I have not got a political party representative of my views. Cannot vote for the Conservatives and whilst this is Labour’s stance never will they see my X next to them on the ballot paper.

Since when does any prisoner get to choose their prison, Lisa Nandy?

Smileless2012 Fri 27-Jan-23 17:40:05

I was wondering that too Callistemonhmm.

VioletSky Fri 27-Jan-23 17:46:31

Made me laugh

Smileless2012 Fri 27-Jan-23 17:48:40

I'd have laughed too if it hadn't been said by a female MP.

VioletSky Fri 27-Jan-23 17:49:32

Sorry wrong thread

Callistemon21 Fri 27-Jan-23 17:49:36

VioletSky

Made me laugh

Where would you like to spend the next 15 or so years?
The Dorchester or a rundown B&B?
Bearing in mind the B&B has a lovely sea view?
Your choice.

VioletSky Fri 27-Jan-23 17:50:44

VioletSky

Sorry wrong thread

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FannyCornforth Fri 27-Jan-23 17:52:27

VioletSky

Sorry wrong thread

Do Something Else!
That’s an order

VioletSky Fri 27-Jan-23 18:09:15

Why?

Mollygo Fri 27-Jan-23 20:27:50

So, back to the OP. It looks like a smidgeon of common sense is creeping in.

Doodledog Fri 27-Jan-23 20:47:31

It is a shame that it took the rape of two women to make it happen, but sooner or later there was always going to be a case that threw the grim realities of all of this into relief.

Iam64 Fri 27-Jan-23 20:49:09

I like Lisa Nandy, she’s a good mp but……she needs some ordinary women in her constituency to put her right on prisoners not being able to choose where they’re incarcerated.

I voted for Yvette Cooper first, Andy Burnham 2nd when Corbyn won. I’ve often wished one of them had stood aside to allow the other to win. My choice would have had Yvette as leader. This country would be a happier, more successful place if she’d been leader rather than Corbyn.

VioletSky Fri 27-Jan-23 21:27:50

Canned laughter on TV shows can get lost

I only seem to laugh when the canned laughter doesn't happen and I'm seriously worried about my sense of humour

VioletSky Fri 27-Jan-23 21:28:13

Whoops sorry

Doodledog Fri 27-Jan-23 21:53:56

I like Lisa Nandy, she’s a good mp but……she needs some ordinary women in her constituency to put her right on prisoners not being able to choose where they’re incarcerated.

I like her too, but either she's been brainwashed by Stonewall or she's toeing a party line. Or both. Either way, the PLP really need to have an emergency meeting and sort out their approach to this. They are haemorrhaging votes from women, and I really don't believe that as individuals with brains they genuinely believe that it is possible to change sex.

I don't know what is wrong with saying that transpeople should be equal under law, and protected against discrimination etc, but they are transmen and transwomen, and as such should not expect to enter spaces traditionally kept for the opposite sex. Sex and gender are not the same thing, and they should acknowledge that.

Iam64 Sat 28-Jan-23 08:40:27

I expect many of us are hoping the Labour Party reviews its fragmented responses to trans issues, Doodledog. It needs a clear, straightforward statement, yes sex and gender are not the same thing.
I read this morning, 42% of prisoners who self ID as trans women, have been convicted of sexual offences.

Mollygo Sat 28-Jan-23 09:25:14

The headline that dropped on my screen this morning.
Nicola Sturgeon was all glib reassurances on Thursday as she sought to calm a fevered public by insisting that a double rapist, born a man, who subsequently changed gender, won’t serve out what’s expected to be a lengthy sentence in a women’s prison.

However, what she couldn’t do was deny – although for a while that’s what she seemed to be doing – that the “beast”, as the Tories’ Douglas Ross called the attacker, was already in a women-only prison. After conviction at the High Court in Glasgow on Tuesday, Isla Bryson, who as Adam Graham had raped two women, was remanded, awaiting sentence, to Cornton Vale.

And nor could Sturgeon’s attempt at a low-key response mask the brutal truth that this case had blown sky-high her hopes of persuading voters, and the wider world, to accept her gender reform proposals, now blocked by the UK Government. Instead, the saga affirms the worst fears of many women that predatory men would seek to use her lax gender transition rules to prey on vulnerable people.