Woman found guilty of raping two women. Remanded in custody for sentence end February

Doodledog www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXFkIgA6T3A

I just wish one of them would say if they still believe the mantras they've chanted for so long, the 'TWAW' and 'people are what they say they are'.

Brilliant! 😂

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0oEJxmggMknLGk9uP1XhLk65dAwkhVoWPjXmcVhKVSZNS2ExzGzFtAYZH6c3R37EEl&id=100069981226757

Here's an excellent article.
It includes a poll - Should male sex offenders be in women's prisons?
Please vote.

No paywall.
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/be3e3efe-9f28-11ed-b4bb-1b45ac508ab9?shareToken=bf1afdeacfdf29e28bbee166b2f1d64e

👍🏻 signed

Thanks Rosie. There’s not much context there though. I’d like to hear her questioned on why ‘that person should never have been in a women’s prison’. That’s what we need to hear from politicians of all parties.

Sturgeon is still trying to cling to the mantras, Rosie, including the one that SPS risk assessments are adequate for this situation.
She's in the first few mins of this video, then there's discussion.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=YYmKZwvpPOk

FarNorth

Here's an excellent article.
It includes a poll - Should male sex offenders be in women's prisons?
Please vote.

No paywall.
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/be3e3efe-9f28-11ed-b4bb-1b45ac508ab9?shareToken=bf1afdeacfdf29e28bbee166b2f1d64e

Signed. 99% agree!

Voted.... but who are the 1% who said yes?????

A point is raised in that video, that some trans people are asking "Does the change of mind mean Sturgeon is no longer a trans ally?"

If true, those people are certainly not prepared to admit that all transwomen are male, and are not even prepared to admit that some transwomen can be dangerous to women, whether or not their claimed belief is genuine.

Is Nicola a trans herself ? Just wondering.

No she's not a transwoman. Just backed the wrong horse!

Sparklefizz

Voted.... but who are the 1% who said yes?????

Signed-but I could guess what sort of people said yes. Some of them are very active on Twitter, still postulating about all trans and refusing to see that the trouble for all trans has been caused by some of the trans themselves.

I would like someone to explain the logic of saying that no, Isla Bryson should not be in a women's jail, but it is ok for intact transwomen to be in female wards in hospital, for instance. If we accept that IB is a risk, we need to ask why that is.

Because he is a sex offender?
What about all the female sex offenders we keep hearing about? Where should they be sent?

Because his offences were against women? What about others who have offended against women?

Or is it because he is a man? What about the other men who say they are women? Why is IB different from them? If the answer is the fact that he is a sex offender, and most men are not, then what about the female sex offenders as mentioned above?

If IB is deemed to be a man who has used the trans loophole to get into a female space, what is stopping other men from doing the same?

These are the questions that many, many women have been asking all along, and whereas it is a disgrace that it has taken the rape of two women to bring this to more general attention, it is a good thing that it has, IMO.

Good points Doodledog Rose West committed heinous offences against women and girls but was housed in a woman's prison. Myra Hindley committed heinous crimes against children and adolescents of both sexes but was put in a women's prison. Neither was even considered to be housed in a men's prison. What is the difference between these women and a transwoman offender? It does come down to what Nicola Sturgeon has had to concede even if she shied away from actually saying it ie transwomen are not women, they are transwomen and there are some circumstances where they are not to be treated the same as biological women.
Transwoman Tiffany Scott had received approval to be moved to a woman's prison even though their violence was evident in the male estate and at one time it took a huge number of prison officers to restrain him. This is now on hold and very unlikely to happen, but the "risk assessments" NS referred to don't seem to be very reliable given the original decision.

Clearly IB being a man is the reason for the move but Sturgeon, and others, don't want to say that.

The points you make, Doodledog, are the same points that would be made by those saying that Sturgeon is no longer a trans ally.
It's just that they want a different decision to come from them.

It's astonishing that "Transwomen are women" has been so hammered into the consciousness of many people that they defend the 'rights' of rapists and other violent men yet completely disregard the rights of real women.

Absolutely, FN. The underlying principles of the trans movement are very misogynistic.

I wonder whether this will give Some People pause for thought, when they accuse people who are genuinely interested in women's rights of being transphobic? Can someone like NS go from being an 'ally' to a non-ally overnight? How does that work? Isn't what she has said and done the same as women like me, who have consistently said that we support the rights of transpeople to live how they choose, but not the rights of male people to be in women's spaces, be they prisons, hospitals or changing rooms? If not, what are the differences?

I hope Ash Regan and others are talking to Sturgeon & the rest of their party about this.

Btw, they repeatedly say that self-id was in the SNP manifesto - Alyn Smith said it very recently.
It wasn't, tho.
Here is page 33 of the 2021 SNP manifesto showing what was said about gender reassignment .

Btw, I'll just put this here -

Please sign and publicise this petition - its closing date is tomorrow, 2nd Feb.
It's to ask ScotGov to withdraw the schools guidance re 'trans' pupils.

petitions.parliament.scot/petitions/PE2001

Signed.

Happy to sign, but do you need a Scottish postcode?

I don't think you need a Scottish postcode Doodledog.
I don't see a mention of signatories but it does say the person starting the petition doesn't have to live in Scotland.

petitions.parliament.scot/help

Why not give it a go and see what happens?

I've signed, and the number of signatories went up by one . They don't seem to mind where you come from. I'd like to see the rule applied in England too.

I’ve also signed it, two of my g’children are still at school so it’s a pertinent worry for me. I’ve also shared it on Fc’bk and Twitter. It’s the first I’ve seen this one mentioned, it can’t have been shared/advertised very much.

Good wee article by James Kirkup.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/nicola-sturgeon-and-the-vindication-of-the-terfs/

Good article, grannydarkhair.

It’s gone very quiet on here from the voices of ‘trans support’. I was expecting lectures on how intersectional feminists believe that it’s unfair to men not to give them access to female criminals, and how Ms Sturgeon has got it all wrong after getting everything right for so long, but nothing.

Twitter aside, which was never the mouthpiece of widespread reason, I haven’t seen or heard much of a defence in the media either. In fact, articles like the one in the link are everywhere. It’s almost as though commentators have felt unable to speak their minds until now.