Woman found guilty of raping two women. Remanded in custody for sentence end February

VioletSky I think you have to accept that not everyone agrees with you. You can't force people to share your opinions and beliefs. It's an open forum. If young people and trans people want to post they can. You are not necessarily their voice.

I try to but whenever I seek clarification you dont give it so it's very difficult.

No you are right, I am not Aveline a voice for trans people

I'm not

More moderate in truth

I have answered your question, VS, and you then told me that I had taken it back. I didn't. It's like you read one thing and hear another.

I even went back and explained what I had said, but to no avail.

Not wanting to allow criminals to use loophole created by self-id to access women's spaces is not the same as thinking (much less saying) that transpeople are criminals. They are two separate things.

As it stands, the Equalities Act still allows single sex spaces, so I have no idea which rights you think are being taken away from children.

Saying that my words are malleable and twisted, and that I am 'nipped into line' is very disrespectful and is also untrue. I speak my own mind and do not tell lies - I pride myself on that - and I'm not easily 'nipped'.

I think my comments are being read with a much different tone to the one they are typed in to be honest

I guess I have as much problem understanding you as you do me doodledog

I'm catty sometimes but it's quite rare

Ok. What do you not understand about this:

Not wanting to allow criminals to use loophole created by self-id to access women's spaces is not the same as thinking (much less saying) that transpeople are criminals. They are two separate things.?

I already agreed with that

But that's not what I was referring too in the first place, it's miles away

Let's be clear

I don't expect anyone to denounce the comments I was referring too but I respected the two I mentioned earlier for standing up and doing so, it's sometimes not easy or possible to stand up in many situations

But I take offence to being told that the comments I mentioned didn't happen. And that is objectively, wrong, especially when I quoted 2 and th rest are right there

No need to take it personally of someone hasn't said someone but to deny the reality is another

There is strength in numbers, I get that but principles should come first

Hmm

If you can't guess what I meant where the errors are I will explain later but that's Ia sign of a migraine for me and I better get an early night

VioletSky

It's now changing the narrative apparently

But it's rare for any question I ask to actually be thought through and answered.

No, it’s rare for any question you ask to be answered the way you want. I feel the same way about your responses.
Just the way you say others do on here,
you ignore anything that doesn’t match your POV.
You accuse everyone else of attacking all trans-which is such a blatant untruth, even your repetition doesn’t make it true.
You introduce words like ‘fake trans’ but you can’t explain how you can tell the difference between them and the real thing (until perhaps the ‘fake trans’ commit an offence which proves they are fake.)
You use ‘authentic selves’ which doesn’t really mean anything in terms of trans and certainly doesn’t mean they can change sex.
Then . . .
You change the topic 🤣🤣🤣

Show me where I ever said "fake trans" and wasn't quoting someone else Mollygo

And I will consider the rest very seriously

In bed in a dark room

VS, I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.

What were you referring to in the fist place? Who are you accusing of telling lies? Or using 'malleable words' or 'twisted words'? And why?

They are huge accusations, and it's only fair that you back them up.

I mean, it is all there in black and white

Demonstrated once again by things I haven't said and comments I referred too that actually exist

Why do you do this? It's not a win when you cheat

All I can think of is that I said that I do not blame transpeople for the actions of criminals. Which I don't.

I then said that I feel that the fact that criminals (most of whom will not be trans) are able to use self-id to access victims. You seemed to take that as a repudiation of my earlier statement, which it is not.

The two statements are not mutually exclusive, and accusing me of cheating as well as lying is below the belt, and far from being 'in the spirit of GN'.

I repeat - I do not blame transpeople for the actions of criminals.

doodledog

I've agreed with what you said twice

You still keep saying I haven't

Oh God.

Ok, so what is it that I'm being accused of?

VS, I would look for the evidence, if I believed you would answer the rest.
You used it to describe trans. Blaming it on someone else using it first -go for it.
Since I don’t have any reason to believe you’d answer anything you don’t want to answer, I’ll save myself the bother.

Mollygo

VS, I would look for the evidence, if I believed you would answer the rest.
You used it to describe trans. Blaming it on someone else using it first -go for it.
Since I don’t have any reason to believe you’d answer anything you don’t want to answer, I’ll save myself the bother.

No I didn't

Actually, I think that it was someone else who used the term 'fake trans', not VS. It was used to describe criminals who pretended to be trans in order to rape women, and it was suggested that those people (the 'fake' transwomen) were so rare as to have negligible impact. The massive impact on the women who were raped wasn't taken into account, and there was something of a robust discussion about it at the time.

I know who I believe said it, but as they have not commented on this thread, I will not name them, although of course they could speak out in VS's defence if they felt inclined.

Thank you

To be fair I do agree, third time, with you doodledog that criminals would use loopholes to access victims

I think it's already happening

As per thread

Right, so we agree on that, which is good. That is the reason why I don't approve of self-id. Not because of transphobia or discrimination (of which I am not guilty on either count), but to protect women.

What do you think I am lying about?

I haven't said anything about lying

I don't think anyway

Twisting words and using 'malleable' statements is the same thing, no?