Woman found guilty of raping two women. Remanded in custody for sentence end February

I think the answer is that the person responsible for abuse does not damage the image of all transpeople, VS; but that as long as abusers use the fact that self-id allows male-bodied people into women's spaces people will resist it. People who care about women, at any rate.

Honestly, that has been explained so many times that I don't know why you keep asking. I thought you said you understood, and that we agreed, but maybe I'm getting confused with something else that is often repeated.

TerriBull

I believe Alec Salmond has allegedly been reported as saying something along the lines of "imported gender nonsense" has jeopardised the support for independence. I'm wondering how many Scottish voters would agree with him.

On Politics Live today it was said that the 'yes' vote for Scottish Independence has dropped from 53% to 47 % since the GRR. Also NS popularity has waned.
Salmond could be right.

Mollygo

Is that the Royal “we” VS? Are you now claiming to speak for other posters?
As you would say
lol
Moving on, I’m sure I’ve read somewhere your dislike when you feel you’ve been misquoted. lol

Then, I asked a question, which you have chosen not to answer. How unexpected!
lol

I think people reading need to understand why you think that.

I know I'm not the only one who doesn't agree but I'm not speaking for anyone else

You could try answering

Doodledog

I think the answer is that the person responsible for abuse does not damage the image of all transpeople, VS; but that as long as abusers use the fact that self-id allows male-bodied people into women's spaces people will resist it. People who care about women, at any rate.

Honestly, that has been explained so many times that I don't know why you keep asking. I thought you said you understood, and that we agreed, but maybe I'm getting confused with something else that is often repeated.

I think Mollygo would obviously prefer we don't speak for anyone

I'd like to understand why this is getting repeatedly said on this thread.

Some sexual abusers are grandfather's, does that affect the image of grandfather's in general?

Also given that out of "ALL" trans people, most will never end up in prison so unless we view ALL trans people as theoretical criminals this doesn't apply to them at all

Mollygo did say "ALL" not "some"

Yes I can see agree in the case of criminals, prisons and safe spaces but not ALL trans people doodledog and if I'd thought you meant ALL I would not have agreed

Polls go up and polls go downthe YOUGOV poll doesn't bother me at all.YouGov is owned by THE "honest" Nadim Zadhawi !! Anyone I have spoken too wont let this come in the way of Independence .Strange you are prepared to take Alex Salmonds word for anything ...you were all calling for him to be jailed not so long ago....now he is apparently a spokesperson for women???
This bill is little or no different to the rest of EUROPE AND JUST BRINGS US INTO LINE WITH THE LIKES OF fINLAND WHO PASSED A SIMILAR ONE ON fEBRUARY 1ST .Adnittedly without all the brouhaha that has happened here .The bill was debated for 6 years and passed by cross party MSP's.This will happen in England whether you approve or not ,the only reason its beng ramped up now is to discredit Ms Sturgeon and the Independence cause.
Lets face it if you sacked every PM who had passed a dodgy bill it would be far more than the 5 we're on since the brexit vote !!Some very reasoned calls on Jeremy Vine today so not all are calling for her head on a platter.

How can a man who can and does rape women transition? This beggars the whole idea that ‘he’ identifies as female surely?

Quokka

How can a man who can and does rape women transition? This beggars the whole idea that ‘he’ identifies as female surely?

He was probably not his ‘authentic self’ at the time of the offences. To be fair, ‘he’ only identified as a ‘woman’ didn’t he.

Possibly stop shouting paddy Ann, I could give you info on self id in Denmark, Belgium etc, so maybe again stop being quite so patronising.

That's emphasis not shouting

I highly doubt paddyann randomly shouts sentences in conversation

I think it's generally accepted that using upper case is shouting. Emphasis can be achieved by using bold, italics and or underlining.

or even underlining

Generally accepted by who? And who are they to determine what is shouting

Common sense approach:

That's not an angry sentence. So it is obviously not shouting

Maybe also check that other countries with self ID do not allow it at 16.

VioletSky
generally accepted by who
About 62% of the world population using the Webb.

Lol!

I find it hard to believe 62% of people can't exercise common sense

I find it hard that 38% don't appear to be able to exercise common sense but there you go.

Knowing that 38% of people use caps for emphasis and STILL being mean to them about it doesn't sound like a common sense approach really

being mean to them^. Whose ^them and whose being mean?

Do keep up

Perhaps you could simply answer the questions VS which are whose them and whose being mean? Questions raised because of your post @ 19.32.

*Yes I can see agree in the case of criminals, prisons and safe spaces but not ALL trans people doodledog and if I'd thought you meant ALL I would not have agreed(

All transpeople what? I'm lost now.

I am not talking about transpeople really - yet again, I am saying that
(i) there are criminals (eg Isla Bryson) who make use of self-id to get access to women.

(ii) People don't want self-id to stop them from being able to do that.

(iii) Stopping self-id will impact on transpeople, as they also want to use self-id.

(iv) So ipso facto, it is criminals (eg Isla Bryson) who are responsible for many people not wanting self-id to be allowed.

There are other reasons too (eg religious strictures and wanting to avoid the male gaze) but this thread is about the prison situation, and I am trying to explain the bit about how it is that criminals impact on transpeople.

Galaxy

Possibly stop shouting paddy Ann, I could give you info on self id in Denmark, Belgium etc, so maybe again stop being quite so patronising.

This one?

doodledog

I askeded Mollygo and didn't ask you in the first place

Sorry - I wish we had an edit button.

My post above should read:

Yes I can see agree in the case of criminals, prisons and safe spaces but not ALL trans people doodledog and if I'd thought you meant ALL I would not have agreed

All transpeople what? I'm lost now.

I am not talking about transpeople really - yet again, I am saying that
(i) there are criminals (eg Isla Bryson) who make use of self-id to get access to women.

(ii) People don't want self-id to go through in order to stop them from being able to do that.

(iii) Stopping self-id will impact on transpeople, as they also want to use self-id.

(iv) So ipso facto, it is criminals (eg Isla Bryson) who are responsible for many people not wanting self-id to be allowed.