Woman found guilty of raping two women. Remanded in custody for sentence end February

Iam64

Ok Violet, for what it’s worth, my impression of mollygo’s comment is she was being ironic.
I find the use of lol in a situation that isn’t remotely funny difficult to understand. I see it as passive aggression.
I don’t see any purpose in continuing to nit pick and shred comments looking for conflict and offence to perpetuate victim status

So?

Your opinions of me don't define me and I'm not a child to be told how to behave.

Trust me, I'm no one's victim, I find it interesting and I point out what I observe, but if I were bothered I'd go away, I walk away from people able to hurt me and there are none here.

You think some behaviours are fine in discussion, I think they weaken the points made here by the GC, some of which I agree with but, if you are looking for your opinions to be relevant and heard... the way each individual speaks matters.

Unless you just enjoy arguing and point scoring and this is an avenue to achieve that, hope not.

Yes it was VS but I hadn't realised you were referring specifically to this thread. If you were, can you provide some evidence?

You've put that very well Mollygo.

No, I'm not boredDoodledog just frustrated at times that as you say a simple message doesn't appear to be understood.

Smileless2012

Yes it was VS but I hadn't realised you were referring specifically to this thread. If you were, can you provide some evidence?

You've put that very well Mollygo.

No, I'm not boredDoodledog just frustrated at times that as you say a simple message doesn't appear to be understood.

Already did several times

No one argued against any of them so I'm assuming it is accepted now that I haven't said any of those things

VS
Your post doesn’t make sense.

What have you not said, VS? I have no idea what I might have argued against, or given tacit agreement to. This thread is very strange.

Read back for context

VioletSky

Read back for context

I've read the whole thread, and tried very hard to stay patient and answer any questions, and explain anything that appears to have confused you. I don't know what more I can do. You keep saying that you haven't said things that nobody has accused you of saying.

Oh dear. The man charged in connection with the 11 year old girl missing in Galashiels is transgender.
She has been found which is great.

VS are you saying that people don’t associate the word trans with all the negative publicity caused by the lying, the cheating, the misogynistic actions, the violence, the claim by male rapists that they are suddenly women, the support of those actions rather than the condemnation, rather than associating it with unobtrusive trans?

I don't know what you mean when you say it's accepted you haven't said any of those things VS. Are you referring to an earlier post of mine in which I asked you what you meant by them and who was being mean to them?

I noticed that you responded @ 13.29 with except I haven't said that but if you look at your post yesterday @ 19.32 you'll see that you posted Knowing that 38% of people use caps for emphasis and STILL being mean to them.

Aveline

Oh dear. The man charged in connection with the 11 year old girl missing in Galashiels is transgender.
She has been found which is great.

Which will be another item of negative publicity.

Thank goodness she's been found.

I'm assuming it is accepted now that I haven't said any of those things.

You know what they say about those who assume?
An assumption is when you decide that what you say is true because that’s what you want, so assume away.

Aveline

Oh dear. The man charged in connection with the 11 year old girl missing in Galashiels is transgender.
She has been found which is great.

I'm pleased she's been found, and hope she's ok.

Mollygo

VS are you saying that people don’t associate the word trans with all the negative publicity caused by the lying, the cheating, the misogynistic actions, the violence, the claim by male rapists that they are suddenly women, the support of those actions rather than the condemnation, rather than associating it with unobtrusive trans?

Yes

Why would any decent person associate the word trans with criminals?

Fear or hatred I would guess, both would need support to know better.

Also just because someone isn't condemning something to you personally or somewhere in the public eye, doesn't mean they don't. That's a massive unfair assumption

Trans people are entitled to a private life and don't need to expose themselves to hate speech to apologise for the actions of criminals

I am on this thread

I have condemned the actions of criminals

They disgust me so much I'm willing for them to lose their rights.

Yet you still repeat it to me over and over and over

Why?

Read back for context.

Smileless2012

I don't know what you mean when you say it's accepted you haven't said any of those things VS. Are you referring to an earlier post of mine in which I asked you what you meant by them and who was being mean to them?

I noticed that you responded @ 13.29 with except I haven't said that but if you look at your post yesterday @ 19.32 you'll see that you posted Knowing that 38% of people use caps for emphasis and STILL being mean to them.

Oh well, 62% of people think using caps is shouting (apparently, who knows who came up with that figure) so we don't have to acknowledge the posts of the 38% who use it as emphasis except to tell them they are rude for shouting... even though statistically they may not be.

That's a logic riddle you have created for yourself I'm afraid

Personally I would use context to figure it out for myself as I prefer a common sense approach

I'd also be consistent if I believed it was shouting... if a person whose views I agreed with uses caps for emphasis, for example

I don't know why it is so important to you but hope this helps

This is entirely dishonest now, we have rewriting history and pretending people haven't said untrue things about other people... without apology when it's pointed out too

I don't know how people successfully navigate relationships at all with this sort of behaviour except with others willing to tow the same line

It's all there in black and white

Not really my problem though

I'll take a break for a bit because it's all thoroughly pointless and damaging to women who need people to speak for them and their rights with honesty and integrity and no bias

None of us are achieving that here

Let me know when you are willing to take responsibility and do better

VS
Why would any decent person associate the word trans with criminals

Well. . . Could be something to do with the actions of some TW or the violence of TRA against females.

So according to you, anyone who has read or heard about Adam/Isla et al, or the recent episode if the man in Galashiels, or Karen White or the other cheats (unless you don’t see cheating as a criminal offence) or other TW who hit the headlines because of their misogynistic claims and thus associates the word TW is not decent.

Or anyone whose only knowledge of TW is what they’ve heard or read about the crimes committed by TW or the claims by rapists that they are suddenly ’women’, are not ‘decent’.

That’s a good one even for you VS! But go ahead (I’m sure you will).
Let me know when you are willing to take responsibility and do better.

Adam Graham RAPED when he was still living as a man,therefore he should have been tried as a man.Simple.Why do I get the feeling this has been spun simply to cause trouble for the Scottish Government ,now another transgender person accused of abducting a child.
Bit of a coincidence eh.

I suppose you all saw the reports on "Sir" Starmer meeting with Trans in WM last night and promising to reform trans legislation in line with most of Europe? The victim mentality on here wont like that ...but how will you stop it from happening

Paddyann, you can’t seriously bern suggesting the transgender person accused of abducting a child is sone fiendish English plot against the Scottish government

But, paddyann, if Nicola Sturgeon had stated that, as you have, and said he should be tried as a man and sent to a male prison as a male rapist then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Simple

Do you think he did this simply to cause trouble for the Scottish Government? He's more complex than even we thought, then.

Why do I get the feeling this has been spun simply to cause trouble for the Scottish Government ,now another transgender person accused of abducting a child.
Bit of a coincidence eh

Do you think that is yet another set-up to discredit the Scottish Government?
What about the child involved?

"I have a cunning plan"

I suppose you all saw the reports on "Sir" Starmer meeting with Trans in WM last night and promising to reform trans legislation in line with most of Europe? The victim mentality on here wont like that ...but how will you stop it from happening

I didn't, but I am the first to concede that Keir Starmer (the 'Sir' was earned fair and square, btw) appears to have been captured by the trans lobby, and I know that a lot of women will struggle to vote Labour as a result. It's one of the reasons why the Scottish situation is so interesting* - if the SNP loses support over this, maybe the LP will take note and start talking sense.

*the other is that I have a lot of Scottish connections and care about what happens up there.