Woman found guilty of raping two women. Remanded in custody for sentence end February

the victim mentality on here

Would you like to elaborate, paddyann?

I'm not a regular contributor to these threads but I confess to being confused as to who are the victims on GN.

Women have been talking about men in womens prisons for years. Karen White was one hideous example. If you think this is a new subject because if Scotland then you would be wrong.

Agreed. it's the timing of the case juxtaposed with the GRA amendment that is of its time. And the reaction of SNP supporters/floating voters.

Plus (premature posting there) the fact that the situation has brought the subject out of the closet and it is now permissible for people to express gender critical views on mainstream media. Which is great, IMO, as there can now be a proper debate.

Yes that's been a process going back years in terms of gender critical views, the Forstater case etc.

paddyann54

Adam Graham RAPED when he was still living as a man,therefore he should have been tried as a man.Simple.Why do I get the feeling this has been spun simply to cause trouble for the Scottish Government ,now another transgender person accused of abducting a child.
Bit of a coincidence eh.

I suppose you all saw the reports on "Sir" Starmer meeting with Trans in WM last night and promising to reform trans legislation in line with most of Europe? The victim mentality on here wont like that ...but how will you stop it from happening

Spun? What are you talking about?

Do you think if Adam Graham had already 'transitioned' before rapung two women, that he should be in a women's prison?

Born male, stays male for always.

You really think an innocent cross-dressing man has been framed by the Scottish Police in order to make ScotGov look bad?

What do you think the real facts of that were then, Paddyann?
Did the police not find the girl at that man's house?

It seems the Scottish Police are now fed up of pretending that criminal men are women.

archive.ph/2023.02.08-114846/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/02/08/police-scotland-make-arresting-case-leader-misalignment/
(No paywall)

I haven't followed this thread, the last few days, so apologies if this has already been posted.

Mr Menno, Nicola Sturgeon and 'Everybody's Talking At Me' 🎵🎶🎵

youtu.be/VR6ECKmN-lY

FarNorth
Thank you.

title of thread needs changing!

What to lemsip? Man found guilty? We aren’t there yet sadly

The next move will be to change the definition of rape so it doesn’t have to be with a penis. There have been calls for that on here in the past. Anything, anything other than admit the heresy that men are not women, that some men are dangerous to women, and that calling them women doesn’t alter that.

Good video FN

lemsip

title of thread needs changing!

Start a new thread if you like lemsip.

Glasgow -Let Women Speak event on Sunday 5th Feb

Here's a 20 min video of highlights
youtu.be/bJ8ygetXvhM

And here's a video of the whole event - which is highlights all the way through!
youtu.be/5jfD27NfD5U
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Doodledog

The next move will be to change the definition of rape so it doesn’t have to be with a penis. There have been calls for that on here in the past. Anything, anything other than admit the heresy that men are not women, that some men are dangerous to women, and that calling them women doesn’t alter that.

Good video FN

Good post Doodledog.

A man identifying as a woman - is a man identifying as a woman, in whatever form that means to him.

"We have become very 'woke'"a BBC presenter said yesterday about a different issue. I agree we have when some politicians confirm that A transwoman is a woman.
When will it be realised that a man can never be a woman. They can live as a woman and few have issues with that but allowing men to say that they are women can only lead to some dangerous situations.

Have listened to both the videos posted by Far North some very powerful speeches from the women in Glasgow. I first became aware of Kellie Jay Keen over on MN, she's a brave woman has, like others, who stick their heads above the parapet received a lot of on line abuse, and I believe she mentioned once that even her school age children have been on the receiving end of that

We are often told that we are making a fuss about nothing because gender and sex are different things - and then we're expected to accept 'gender' as if it is sex.
The most horrendous examples being women's prisons and women's hospital wards.

The Scottish police arrested the person who abducted an 11 year old girl, and described him as a 'man presenting as a woman', which seems a perfectly adequate and acceptable description; no other information necessary.

eazybee

The Scottish police arrested the person who abducted an 11 year old girl, and described him as a 'man presenting as a woman', which seems a perfectly adequate and acceptable description; no other information necessary.

It is an adequate description.

How will the crime be recorded though?

Dickens

eazybee
The Scottish police arrested the person who abducted an 11 year old girl, and described him as a 'man presenting as a woman', which seems a perfectly adequate and acceptable description; no other information necessary.

It is an adequate description.

How will the crime be recorded though?
Good question. If they say a man then it ought to be recorded as a man’s crime, even with the added information.
In fact, if all such crimes were recorded as a male crime with the added information, that would then give some data of how often this happens.

Exactly, Mollygo.
It's time to stop pandering to transactivists and be honest about which sex everyone is, regardless of how they present themselves.

Mollygo

Dickens

eazybee
The Scottish police arrested the person who abducted an 11 year old girl, and described him as a 'man presenting as a woman', which seems a perfectly adequate and acceptable description; no other information necessary.

It is an adequate description.

How will the crime be recorded though?
Good question. If they say a man then it ought to be recorded as a man’s crime, even with the added information.
In fact, if all such crimes were recorded as a male crime with the added information, that would then give some data of how often this happens.

We need crime statistics - all crimes, even minor ones, not just rape - that give an accurate picture of who is committing which crime. Otherwise, what is the point of keeping such records.

Dickens

Mollygo

Dickens

eazybee
The Scottish police arrested the person who abducted an 11 year old girl, and described him as a 'man presenting as a woman', which seems a perfectly adequate and acceptable description; no other information necessary.

It is an adequate description.

How will the crime be recorded though?
Good question. If they say a man then it ought to be recorded as a man’s crime, even with the added information.
In fact, if all such crimes were recorded as a male crime with the added information, that would then give some data of how often this happens.

We need crime statistics - all crimes, even minor ones, not just rape - that give an accurate picture of who is committing which crime. Otherwise, what is the point of keeping such records.

How will he be recorded on the DNA Database? Obviously male but with an amendment?
If recorded as male and he commits another crime but is presenting as a woman, then that could cause delay and confusion in finding and apprehending him.

There is no point in keeping data of anything that is segregated by so-called 'gender', if gender is an optional state.

Aside from crime, figures about pay, poverty, access to education, sexuality (eg has the number of lesbians increased now that straight men can identify as such when they want to continue having sex with women?) and many more categories become pointless, and crucially, there is no way to see where discrimination against women is happening. Are transpeople 'the most marginalised group in society', or could that be women? How can we possibly know, now that we don't exist as a discrete group?

Look what happened at the Brits. At first I thought that was a harmless development (the 'best male' and 'best female' categories were removed last year, and the award became 'gender neutral'). To me, it seemed as though music is not gendered, or sex-based in the way that sport should be, so I was relaxed about the categories merging. But the reason that the women's category was brought in in the first place was that men always won before then, and guess what - it went back to business as before, with no women nominees. We need separate, sex-based categories.

Back to rape - as legally rape requires a penis, there should be no question of it being recorded as a female crime. To do wo would be deeply misogynist.

There is no point in keeping data of anything that is segregated by so-called 'gender', if gender is an optional state.

How will the crime be recorded though?

It will be recorded as male DNA.