So has Johnson's latest attempt at gaslighting, convinced you?

GrannyGravy13

Fleuroepper why are you obsessed with nuclear weapons?

Your constant catastrophic posts could be unsettling for some.

Strangely enough, my daughter told me the other night that she’d been thinking about what she would do if a nuclear bomb was dropped on our city. In retrospect I should have asked her why ie have her fellow young mums been discussing it, did she read an article about it etc etc. I know, when my children were young, I was terrified of the thought of nuclear war, and Putin has threatened the west with using his nuclear weapons.

MayBee70 my husband actually said I wonder if WW3 will start tomorrow… about one week ago! My friend said of course that is just what Putin wants us to think, master of bluff and deception.

ExperiencedNotOld

Casdon

ExperiencedNotOld

No, Caslon, we’re very far from having a committed, honest leadership that have the best interests of the United Kingdom as their prime focus. Instead entry into politics appears to have one aim - what it could do for the individual’s prospects.
Something has got to give. But will it? Probably not, but we need to stop accepting people because of their affiliations and start looking at the suitability of them as individuals,
Britain isn’t broken, but with the shower fronting all political parties, it seems it could be.

It’s not about party affiliation for the majority of people. We aren’t an amorphous group of Labour supporters on the political threads, far from it. However, we’ve never had such a crooked crew in charge as since 2019. I don’t believe that all politicians are crooked, and I do believe that there are people of great personal integrity in all parties.

Many Gransnetters, and the majority of the electorate are particularly angry at the moment because instead of there being a few bad apples in the government basket, (which I’m sure there always will be) it’s actually very difficult to find even one with the level of personal integrity that we are entitled to expect.

Connect back to my comment on what time in politics could do for them. Yes, there are MPs from all parties quietly working for good, but in life it’s those with deviously deployed charisma that push their way to the front. And we fall for it time and again. I have no solution other than to engage with your local MP (I do, but he no longer answers and I know that’s not because my contact is inappropriate, just uncomfortable for him) or the Secretary of State if you feel that strongly about an issue (have done, many times). The more we hold our public servants to account the better.

Deviously deployed charisma? Well, I can confidently say that’s one thing you can’t accuse Starmer or Davey of. Nor do I think either of them lack personal integrity.

but in life it’s those with deviously deployed charisma that push their way to the front.

That made me laugh, ENO. I thought of Raab, Gove and ReesMogg. It isn't charisma that's got them where they are today

Sharp elbows, maybe....

A matter of individual opinion, so I’m throwing this out there rather than wishing to argue it, but whilst Gove is no oil painting, I do think he possesses a certain integrity. He seems to work hard at using his civil servant advice to best effect, wherever he goes.

ExperiencedNotOld

A matter of individual opinion, so I’m throwing this out there rather than wishing to argue it, but whilst Gove is no oil painting, I do think he possesses a certain integrity. He seems to work hard at using his civil servant advice to best effect, wherever he goes.

His father had to tell everyone that his son lied about the EU being responsible for his business folding.

Johnson utterly failed to get Brexit done - all the problems are mounting up and the Tories are doing nothing about them except trying a bit harder on the NI problem (which Johnson denied would be a problem). Newsnight tonight gave evidence of the financial pain to small businesses caused by Brexit.

Grantanow

Johnson utterly failed to get Brexit done - all the problems are mounting up and the Tories are doing nothing about them except trying a bit harder on the NI problem (which Johnson denied would be a problem). Newsnight tonight gave evidence of the financial pain to small businesses caused by Brexit.

And one of the first people interviewed was a brexit voter who said she voted leave so we could control our own law making. And no one pointed out that she was wrong. It was like going back in time with all the frustration of listening to lies that went unchallenged!

So whatever BJ is or isn’t, why would anyone actually believe anything said by the Kremlin? It’s truly unbelievable! Especially given the war in Ukraine going on right now. Not to mention the British citizens poisoned/killed in Salisbury. The Russians said the perpetrators were ‘sightseeing.’ Really! And the person poisoned by polonium in a London hotel by drinking a cup of tea! BJ may be viewed as a liar, but UK citizens would rather believe the Kremlin? Words fail me!

maddyone

So whatever BJ is or isn’t, why would anyone actually believe anything said by the Kremlin? It’s truly unbelievable! Especially given the war in Ukraine going on right now. Not to mention the British citizens poisoned/killed in Salisbury. The Russians said the perpetrators were ‘sightseeing.’ Really! And the person poisoned by polonium in a London hotel by drinking a cup of tea! BJ may be viewed as a liar, but UK citizens would rather believe the Kremlin? Words fail me!

I know maddyone

There are folks who would believe anyone/anything over Mr. Johnson.

There are folks who would believe anyone/anything over Mr. Johnson

I don't 'believe the Kremlin'. I just look at Johnson's long, long, history of constant and unremitting lying and know that he's not telling the truth.

If what Johnson says is true, what should the UK do about this threat to his life by Putin? Ignore it? Downplay it? Retaliate?
What is the appropriate response, grannygravy maddyone?

I’m not sure there is a response actually. All former Prime Ministers get personal security for life and what else is there to do? We’re hardly going to nuke Russia are we? My point is that I find it unbelievable that anyone would ever believe anything that the Kremlin says. They lie and it’s barefaced. All the build up of war machinery at the border to Ukraine last year and Russia said no, we’re not going to invade! Whether BJ lied, or lies is a fair point for discussion, but it’s still unbelievable that anyone, let alone people on this site, would actually believe the Kremlin. Or perhaps you actually believed Russia when they said their two citizens visited Salisbury for one day to see the cathedral. It’s a beautiful cathedral for sure, but would two Russians fly in, get a train from London to Salisbury, stay a day, return to London and fly back to Russia in less than 48 hours? Of course not!

Oh, FGS. Since when has anyone believed that Johnson has even a passing acquaintance with the truth?

It's completely immaterial what the Kremlin says. Putin isn't going to nuke Johnson, or us.

MaizieD

Oh, FGS. Since when has anyone believed that Johnson has even a passing acquaintance with the truth?

It's completely immaterial what the Kremlin says. Putin isn't going to nuke Johnson, or us.

Mr.Johnson nor President Putin are friends with the truth.

I wouldn’t be surprised if this conversation took place as recounted by Mr.Johnson, they are both more accomplished willy wavers than politicians.

(Didn’t hear nukes mentioned by Mr.Johnson, although it is becoming an obsession with some posters on here at the moment)

MawtheMerrier

I don’t see what that has to do with “gaslighting”.

Nor me. I seem to see the word often used in a way I wouldn’t have thought of.

Those of us whose families live within too few miles of the biggest nuclear weapons dump in the country are concerned over the possibility of nuclear war, GrannyGravy13.

Wheniwasyourage

Those of us whose families live within too few miles of the biggest nuclear weapons dump in the country are concerned over the possibility of nuclear war, GrannyGravy13.

Sorry I do not think it is good for one’s mental health to constantly dwell on worse case scenarios.

Have you been worrying since the Cuba Crisis, Cold War, Chernobyl, the accidents at the power plants in USA, Japan etc.?

Yes.

MaizieD

^There are folks who would believe anyone/anything over Mr. Johnson^

I don't 'believe the Kremlin'. I just look at Johnson's long, long, history of constant and unremitting lying and know that he's not telling the truth.

Calling Johnson a liar doesn't mean I think Putin is telling the truth. I think they are both liars. Quite simple really

Grantanow

Johnson utterly failed to get Brexit done - all the problems are mounting up and the Tories are doing nothing about them except trying a bit harder on the NI problem (which Johnson denied would be a problem). Newsnight tonight gave evidence of the financial pain to small businesses caused by Brexit.

But no-one knows what Brexit is or was supposed to be- It was never defined, in any way, shape or form. So how can we know if Brexit was done, or not- since no-one, not even Johnson, knew what it was.

What should have been done, in your view, to 'get it done' ???

Brexit was the term specifically used for the UK exiting the European Union. It was signed off and happened two years ago. We are now in post Brexit UK.

MaizieD

^There are folks who would believe anyone/anything over Mr. Johnson^

I don't 'believe the Kremlin'. I just look at Johnson's long, long, history of constant and unremitting lying and know that he's not telling the truth.

This

MaizieD

Oh, FGS. Since when has anyone believed that Johnson has even a passing acquaintance with the truth?

It's completely immaterial what the Kremlin says. Putin isn't going to nuke Johnson, or us.

And this.

Casdon

Brexit was the term specifically used for the UK exiting the European Union. It was signed off and happened two years ago. We are now in post Brexit UK.

No-one said anything to the contrary.

The massive question is 'what was, what is, what is Brexit supposed to be' - that was never defined, but the Johnson turned it into an extremist form, and so did Truss- pushed by the secret society that is the ERG.

Brexit could have taken many many forms. But the most extreme was chosen- which is why we did not get the massive Deal with the USA that was supposed to be part of it. The only measly deals we've got so far give massive right to the other side, and huge disadvantages to our farmers and businesses.

Please tell me what Brexit is?