WW 3 ..is this the reality?

Grantonow
We were far closer to a nuclear war in 1983. I knew about this story some years ago as my dearest long time friend was on a nuclear sub involved in this. That sub went to red alert twice in this little tussle as he calls it.

www.airandspaceforces.com/article/the-near-nuclear-war-of-1983/

Looking at TV coverage ...I'm feeling anxious that the more we send/spend on helping Ukraine, we're cooperating am not saying we shouldn't but just thinking how others feel about how far we go..we're already in crisis with NHS and need of financial assistance for cost of living assistance and this is too much for people's mental health

In 1938 our prime Minister, Neville Chamberlain called the conflict between Nazi Germany and Czechoslovakia a "quarrel in a far away country, between people of whom we know nothing.”

Less than two years later, the Nazis were bombing London.

It is to avoid history repeating itself that we are supporting Ukraine.

Indeed. But the situation was totally different then.

History never repeats itself exactly, but the same danger is there

Well said Monica. I’m not sure how the situation is totally different from the thirties, in my opinion it’s very similar; a power crazy leader from a totalitarian state who wants to grab more land and power for himself. A vain, conceited and arrogant leader who cares nothing for his people or his soldiers dying on the battlefield, nor the people of the states he wishes to conquer. A bully who wishes to subjugate the citizens of other countries and build an empire for himself. And many people who simply don’t believe his intentions and prefer to put their heads in the sand.

M0nica

^Well my mental health is suffering as have empathy for anyone in need of help^

In which case, your mental state must be desperate. There are millions, if not a billion people at least in need of help world wide, suffering from all kinds of problems rising from every kind of cause you can imagine. From abuse of all kinds malnutrition, depression, war, terrorism, losing their cat, ruined something of deep sentimental valley.

Where does the list of reasons people need help and the number suffering end.

It could be making the OP anxious M0nica. All sorts of things can trigger anxiety and stress. However, the first thing a doctor would say to someone who can say, so specifically, what is making them feel anxious is "move away from the source". I notice the OP has stopped posting so perhaps she is seeking help.

As for treating people with anxiety, stress, etc., the earlier you do the more money you will save and the more people will go back to work. I would have thought that was right up your street.

Ive stopped watching Ukraine long ago and have now stopped watching the news on Syria and Turkey. Its a part of the world Ive visited (especially Syria) and I find it too harrowing. The news broadcasts (especially SKY) are treating this as vicarious entertainment and focusing far too much on showing the grief of individual people. I made a donation and will keep away from the news and concentrate on something more positive.

If Putin is allowed to win, where will he invade next ? He has to be stopped and we need to give all the help we can to Ukraine, including fighter jets.

After the war is over we need to replenish our armed forces and fast.

will keep away from the news

I did suggest to Bea65 that it might be better if she didn't watch the news but, if her MH is being affected, obviously there are deeper problems and she needs to see her GP.

Sorrry, I did not mean to sound unsympathetic, but I just felt that sometimes people are given to making sweeping statements, that do not make sense.

I have every sympathy for the OP, in he anxieties, but I feel they are probably more focussed than her OP suggests. Plus the practical pointt hat one can do more to help those in need and unhappiness, by concentrating on doing what we can for a group we can help, rather than worry diffusely about everyone distressed and do nothing for any.

M0nica

History never repeats itself exactly, but the same danger is there

Sorry, there is no repetition in this case, the situation is totally different. Hitler did not have nuclear weapons.

To say that anyone who is really concerned, to the point of being very anxious- about this current situation- needs to see a Doctor (and be put on 'happy pills'), so they don't think anymore, is just so wrong.

Hitler did not have nuclear weapons.

And therefore Putin is more dangerous and therefore needs to be stopped. Appeasement doesn’t work, it didn’t work in the thirties and it won’t work now. Some posters appear to be okay with Putin taking Ukraine apparently. Then what next? When will he stop? And when will these posters think he needs to be stopped?
Zelensky needs more arms and he should be given whatever he needs. If not, don’t complain when Putin wages war on further countries in Europe.

Fleurpepper

M0nica

History never repeats itself exactly, but the same danger is there

Sorry, there is no repetition in this case, the situation is totally different. Hitler did not have nuclear weapons.

To say that anyone who is really concerned, to the point of being very anxious- about this current situation- needs to see a Doctor (and be put on 'happy pills'), so they don't think anymore, is just so wrong.

No, it's not wrong at all.

No-one said anything about anti-depressants either, but someone who is living in such a state of fear so as to affect their mental health does need help.
Talking their fears over with a counsellor might help.

The term happy pills is derogatory towards those who might be in need of such help.

Being anxious or concerned is different and claiming MH problems because you feel empathy is just irrational.

IMHO it's a rather pointless exercise quoting a "more extreme" crisis in order to somehow diminish one which is perceived as less so. They're both still crises, and may, as seen here, have little or no relationship to or impact on each other... although the influence of the Russian presence in Syria on Assad's negative reaction to aid to "rebel held" areas perhaps shows that links may still exist. As regards WW3, I doubt it will happen, but as Putin already appears unbalanced and totally unpredictable, and if, as reported, he is actually terminally ill, who knows what he may do as a last, defiant gasp? Nightmare scenario?

Nuclear weapons have nothing to do with it. Putin, like Hitler, will not stop when he has got Ukraine/Czechoslovakia, he will see it as a sign of western weakness and press on to attacking and occupying other countries. Belorus is already a client state and will be taken over when its current dictator dies.

Transnistria, part of Moldova, Abkhazia and South Osettia, parts of Georgia , are partially recognised or unrecognised regions where break away groups, funded and recognised by Russia are similar to the Donetsk area of Ukraine and if Putin is successful in Ukraine, how long before he uses the same excuses to invade occupy and recolonise those countries as well. From there it is a step through Poland into the Baltic states, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania. All four EU and NATO members.

Russian success in Ukraine, may well encourage China to invade Taiwan - and then we will be in World War 3, with wars in Asia, Central Asia and Europe.

Of course it is something to worry about, but when has anybody not be been born into frightening times? My grandfathers grew up into, and fought in World War 1. My parents were born during WW1. They grew up under the threat of Nazi Germany and fought in WW2. I grew up during the cold war. Do you remember the Bay of Pigs and other events when the whole world held its breath over imminent (within 24 hours) destruction in a nuclear war.

Since the Cold War we have seen the Baltic states riven and devastated by genocide, 2 wars in Iraq and the Syrian conflict. All of which could have brought the Western house of cards tumbling down.

When have ever lived without the fear of war. Surely we should instead by thankful that it is only man-made conflict that threatens us. Much of Turkey is in an earthquake zone and we have seen this week what damage a major earth quake can do. Most of California lives under the threat of a comparable event and many other places. Every year we see 10s of thousands die in natural disasters; immense floods, landslips and mudslides. We should be grateful that we live in a stable part of this earth where we do not fear geological disasters that can kill people in multiple millions.

We need to count our blessings.

Well, all this isn't helping Bea's anxiety one jot, is it.

Elegran Thu 09-Feb-23 21:48:09
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It is not that we don't believe Putin's' intentions or want to bury our heads in the sand. We know very well what Putin's ambitions are and what he is capable of - and not just him, but whichever of the Kremlin hawks succeeds him. It is because of that that we back supporting the Ukraine with all the peaceful, measured, diplomatic means at our disposal.

Given the least hint that Western forces were about to engage directly with him, I have no doubt that Putin (or his generals) would order the immediate dispatch of suicide planes in a pre-emptive strike to bomb London, Washington, Bonn, Paris - while shouting loudly that he was defending Mother Russia and her helpless chickens against the aggression of the West.

I have no doubt, either, that a lot is going on, both internationally and within previously Soviet countries, that we don't hear about, to be ready to counter any aggressive moves by Putin et al. Best we don't hear it all. If we did, so would Soviet agents.

Callistemon21

Well, all this isn't helping Bea's anxiety one jot, is it.

Elegran Thu 09-Feb-23 21:48:09
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I don't think Bea should be reading any of this, nor should anyone else whose anxiety levels are likely to shoot up.

Having said that, I will echo Monica's post of Sat 11-Feb-23 11:30:02 "When have we ever lived without the threat of war?" or without the threat of natural and manmade disasters?

while shouting loudly that he was defending Mother Russia and her helpless chickens against the aggression of the West.

Strange, isn't it, that countries under previous Russian domination for all those years are not clamouring to return to those days and those territories which have been reclaimed are under military occupation.

I agree with every word of Monica’s post at 11.30. However recognising the truth won’t help Bea’s anxiety and I would tentatively suggest that Bea doesn’t watch too much news or read too much news at this time.
However anxious people feel, it is imperative in my opinion, that we continue to support Zelensky and Ukraine, because they are not just fighting for Ukraine, they are fighting for Europe. They must defeat Putin and that will require our full support.

Fleurpepper

M0nica

History never repeats itself exactly, but the same danger is there

Sorry, there is no repetition in this case, the situation is totally different. Hitler did not have nuclear weapons.

To say that anyone who is really concerned, to the point of being very anxious- about this current situation- needs to see a Doctor (and be put on 'happy pills'), so they don't think anymore, is just so wrong.

Why do you even assume that the first measure would be your disparagingly termed "happy pills". Surely we have moved on from such attitudes to mental health as yours.

I find when I get anxious that when I understandthe context of my fears it helps.

I have at times got desperate about the world that faces my children after I am gone, and more especially my grand children with climate change and growing unrest world wide and it was by looking at the historic context, how every generation for the last 150 years alone has always lived under a cloud that is armageddon, but has come through. That we have always lived with the fear, sometimes justified, more often not, that i could see things in a context, of, to put it grandly, my fears all being part of the human condition.

I suspect the Bea would do better with councilling than medication, that does nothing to assuage the fears.

It’s not just Putin though is it, if Ukraine succeeds in inflicting more serious losses on Russia are the rest of the leadership going to accept defeat and depose Putin or are they going to
mobilize forces further.
Personally I think NATO is not going to give Ukraine enough to win, now or next year NATO going to have to call Russia’s bluff.

It was reported in the papers today that the Wagner Group, backed by Russian money, is infiltrating Kosovo, currently in independent country, but once part of Serbia. Serbia wants it back, as Russia wants Ukraine.

Quietly the ground is being prepared there for the Serbs, with Russian backing to do in Kosovo what the Russians are doing in Ukraine.

Oh no.

Serbia is not anti-Russia.