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You almost have to feel sorry for Rushi!

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CvD66 Mon 20-Feb-23 13:35:43

First he has the opportunity to go down in history by finally resolving the Northern Ireland post Brexit trading agreement but that interfering former PM is stirring up trouble, wanting to retain his version of the Northern Ireland protocol. That’s worked so well …not!
Then you’ve got that other former PM, Truss, taking to the international stage, without authority, by suggestion a European alliance to stand up to China - pity no one’s thought of that before. Oh but they did.
And don’t forget his super new Deputy Party Chair with his thoughtless comments on refugees, a proportion of which could removed if the UK still had access to the European wide criminal records.
He can’t even get his old boss Richard Sharp to stop the former proTory politics presenter Laura Kuenssberg who contradicted the Tory ministers claim of ‘Vaccines, vaccines’ as a Brexit benefit, reminding her the UK was still officially in the EU at the time of the vaccines rollout !

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NotSpaghetti Mon 20-Feb-23 17:50:31

Haha- and Ramblingrose22

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Fleurpepper Mon 20-Feb-23 20:34:20

nadateturbe

^I get the impression that many NI businesses are perfectly happy with what they have now as they can trade freely with the EU.^

Many aren't.

And can I remind people we are part of the UK.
I would rather be in the EU of course. But the UK left. The DUP have a valid complaint.

But they knew exactly what Johnson's Deal would mean for NI, and took the massive bung to support him. So NO, they do not have a valid complaint.

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nadateturbe Mon 20-Feb-23 20:44:34

I'm not getting into an argument about it.
I don't agree with DUP in everything but they are right about this. They also have support in other unionist parties.

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Fleurpepper Mon 20-Feb-23 21:03:14

Well, they were clearly warned what the Deal would mean, by all the top experts, and that Johnson was totally dishonest about promising no checks. Clear as a bell. and Arlene Foster took the massive bribes, to support him. What did they expect would happen? It was always crystal clear.

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Fleurpepper Wed 22-Feb-23 11:59:38

So Rees-Mogg has finally said it- the PM cannot broker any Deal with the approval of the ERG!!!

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Casdon Wed 22-Feb-23 14:17:39

Fleurpepper

So Rees-Mogg has finally said it- the PM cannot broker any Deal with the approval of the ERG!!!

Without do you mean not with?
Surely JRM is bluffing, because the ERG allegedly only has (top estimate) 54 members which means that in reality it doesn’t have the sway he alleges it has.

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MaizieD Wed 22-Feb-23 14:48:41

It might have only 54 members, Casdon but how about its allies? And Johnson's allies? Johnson is anti it, too...

What is the tory majority now, 70ish? Not difficult to erode.

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Fleurpepper Wed 22-Feb-23 14:56:58

Casdon

Fleurpepper

So Rees-Mogg has finally said it- the PM cannot broker any Deal with the approval of the ERG!!!

Without do you mean not with?
Surely JRM is bluffing, because the ERG allegedly only has (top estimate) 54 members which means that in reality it doesn’t have the sway he alleges it has.

Oops, yes, posted in haste as may student was ringing the door bell.

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Casdon Wed 22-Feb-23 15:14:53

MaizieD

It might have only 54 members, Casdon but how about its allies? And Johnson's allies? Johnson is anti it, too...

What is the tory majority now, 70ish? Not difficult to erode.

If I was Sunak I would take the gamble, because it’s his best chance of survival, and I believe the only route to victory at the next election the Tories could possibly have is to move towards the centre. Realistic membership estimates for the ERG are nearer to 35, so 54 is the absolute maximum. It’s scary that in the constituency parties there is still support for Johnson, but I wonder whether it’s more about his charisma and therefore his electability than his alleged position on the right and his ERG membership?

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