Braverman threatening to resign because Sunak is apparently agreeing to abide by the NI agreement she voted for

Indeed.

One thing is sure, what Johnson promised, cakism, will not happen. The DUP and NI will have to accept some form of compromise- or it will destroy the country, not just NI.

Just watchedPMQs. Is Braverman shrinking? Hope so. With luck she will disappear altogether.

Prof Dougan is THE expert in the matter, and has always been clear- there MUST be a border if Brexit. There is NO avoiding it.

Professor Michael Dougan, Professor of European Law Liverpool University, gives his thoughts on Northern Ireland
"It's tedious having to repeat ourselves every time Protocol on IRL/NI hits UK headlines (so many past threads...) but bottomless pit of Brexit dishonesty & incompetence makes the task unavoidable.
So... a few simple bullet points, reminding us how to refute common ERG/DUP lies:
Brexit means borders. Inherent and inescapable. And after all, borders are what the Brexitists wanted. But in the case of NI, that border cannot be across land with IRL. So it has to be across sea with GB. Only question is: how visible and cumbersome will that sea border be?
If UK had chosen "soft Brexit" (continued membership of customs union and single market) the NI/GB border could have been minimal. But ERG/DUP supported "hard Brexit" = extreme dislocation between EU and UK. Which inevitably meant NI/GB border needs to be far more complicated.
And that is what Protocol delivered. No border across island of Ireland; border instead between NI and GB. That is a choice entirely attributable to Johnson Government, actively supported by ERG, and also by DUP - until they realised they'd been conned by their Tory chums...
Johnson may consistently lie about / deny responsibility for his own Protocol, Tory Government has never properly complied with its own legally binding duties, on contrary, has repeatedly sought unilaterally to dismantle its own deal. But changes nothing: they made & own it.
ERG/DUP say Protocol is disrupting trade between NI and GB. Of course it does. That is the whole point of Brexit and the Protocol. Did they ever seriously believe their extremist policies would have no consequences either for EU-UK relations or relations between NI & GB?!
ERG/DUP say Protocol keeps NI in EU. Rubbish. NI left EU with rest of UK - against the will of clear majority of its population. Despite sloppy coverage, NI isn't even kept in Single Market: Protocol covers only trade in goods; not services, establishment, capital, people...
ERG/DUP say Protocol makes NI subject to foreign law. Protocol is an international agreement. It does not and cannot apply to NI directly. What applies to NI are the rules enacted into UK law by the UK Parliament. So if certain EU rules apply in NI, it's because UK law says so
ERG/DUP say Protocol is anti-democratic because NI has no say over it. Er. They imposed Brexit on NI against its will. Claimed right to do so because "it's the UK Parliament that is sovereign & democratic". OK, well that same UK Parliament approved & implemented your Protocol
But in any case, NI does have say over Protocol. Assembly gets to vote periodically on whether to keep or abandon it. So NI has a clear and direct voice over Protocol's future. ERG/DUP's real problem? Clear majority in NI want to keep it. But it's only "democracy" if DUP agree
ERG/DUP say NI cannot be treated differently from rest of UK. NI has always been treated differently from rest of UK. Devolution in UK is all about S/W/NI being treated differently. & Brexitists claimed 1 of "big prizes" of leaving EU was to boost those differences even more!
Plus: UK has already enacted legislation (UK Internal Market Act) to manage trade differences between England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland created by divergent rules across 4 territories. Protocol only makes NI situation more different in practice, but not in principle
So frankly, when ERG/DUP attack Protocol: at best they are attacking their own Brexit, since much of what they complain about are the inherent consequences of their own choices; and at worst, they are manufacturing problems for ulterior political reasons. At poor NI's expense
Does that mean Protocol is perfect? Of course not. Every rational actor agrees there are problems to solve & improvements to make. But ERG/DUP have nothing constructive to contribute. Their so-called "tests" are designed to fail. & they offer no credible alternative solutions
So - don't give these charlatans an inch. Challenge every lie they say. Don't let their poison be left to fester. It's tedious. It's repetitive. It's depressing, especially since MSM can't seem to do it properly. But we have no choice: post-truth populists endanger our society."

Yes I’ve read that. I can remember the work he did before the referendum, and absolutely everything he said regarding the law and NI still holds true.

At the time though he was an “expert” and so knew nothing!

Brexit means borders, that is the whole (rude) point about it.

We are going to go through the debacle again aren’t we?

Because the Tory party is at permanent war over one thing or another.

The whole sorry saga will be aired once again.

Yes, but as there is NO solution but to have a border somewhere and give and take ... what is the blooming point!

post-truth populists endanger our society

Never a truer word said. . Would any of our Brexit supporters like to comment on this thread? I am seriously curious how anyone, of intelligence and perception can deny the truth of Fleurpepper's post. Even without the partisan politics of NI which complicate the matter even further, to put it lightly, this just cannot work and bloody Johnson knew it when he lied his way into office made his promises.

Not my post, but Prof. Dougan.

St the risk of repeating an old truth; Cameron called this badly administered and regulated referendum as the price of keeping party support. We all know how that worked out. So, here we are, 6 and a half years later, billions of pounds poorer, with the same swivel eyed fanatics complaining that they haven't got what they want as the rest of us stand by, aghast, at the economic, social and reputational damage done by them and their paymasters. Any fool could have told them that a border would not work on the island of Ireland, and you can't have full independence of the EU without borders. Simple really.

HousePlantQueen

*post-truth populists endanger our society*

Never a truer word said. . Would any of our Brexit supporters like to comment on this thread? I am seriously curious how anyone, of intelligence and perception can deny the truth of Fleurpepper's post. Even without the partisan politics of NI which complicate the matter even further, to put it lightly, this just cannot work and bloody Johnson knew it when he lied his way into office made his promises.

They absolutely denied Dougan’s legal warnings before the referendum on GN. Some even went so far as ridiculing him.

A nice song, just for her departure

twitter.com/MarshSongs/status/1628101264734146560?s=20

And from Steve Beardsmore

'Today Jacob Rees Mogg made public what many of us always suspected , that it is the European Research Group which is the not-so-secret cabal that is running the county.
Today in what amounted to either an accidental statement of the truth or a deliberate warning to the Prime Minister, Rees Mogg said that before any agreement was reached with the EU on Northern Ireland the Prime Minister ‘should first get the approval of the ERG.’
Whatever your reasons, thanks Mr Rees Mogg for making that
clear,
Not you notice the approval of Conservative MPs still less the House of Commons but that of a group of around 20 to 50 self-selecting fanatical Europhobic MPs .
Mind you it is not the first time that this publicly funded ‘ party within a party’ has told the Prime Minister what he/she should do. In 2017 they wrote to Teresa May with 17 demands for her to agree to,our else.
Two questions however why if the ERG is a parliamentary research body is it only open to Conservative MPs? and why was none of its’ research’ made public until In July 2019 a tribunal declared that the ERG's research must be made public.'

Braverman says she was "misquoted" so she won't be resigning...surprise, surprise.🙄

The Tory ERG and hardliners have really kicked off now though, with this:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11781825/An-amnesty-Fury-new-plans-fast-track-12-000-immigration-applications.html

The ERG and Momentum were the cause of todays miseries. A curse on them both.

the article in the link posted by DiamondLily is exactly what I expected, we will now be bombarded by photographs of boats arriving at Dover, and dare I say it, some of the more ardent believers will be hoping for a nice distraction such as the Knowsley allegations and subsequent riots, just to stir things up and distract the electorate.

Lovetopaint037

The ERG and Momentum were the cause of todays miseries. A curse on them both.

Agreed.

It would be excellent news if Braverman did resign sooner rather than later. Sunak is playing a subtle game and it shows we have a PM prepared to do real work rather than bluster like the Buffoon or the robotic Truss. His strategy is clearly to arrive at an arrangement which satisfies most sensible people and which allows the DUP to accede without approving it thereby saving face and the EU to claim internally that they didn't concede any treaty points. I hope he succeeds. If you think the Buffoon says anything worth hearing remember he said on 13 August 2020, 'There will be no border down the Irish Sea' and on 8 November 2019 said (in response to a question about customs forms), 'Tell them to ring up the PM and I will direct them to throw that form in the bin.'

'''Tell them to ring up the PM and I will direct them to throw that form in the bin.'''

but Arlene, Paisley, and everyone in the DUP KNEW it was an absolute lie, didn't they, at the time.

I think the DUP is out on a limb. Their Brexit position does not reflect the majority view in NI as expressed in the referendum. At some point they will need to crawl back nearer the tree.

Hopefully, someone will saw the branch off at the trunk before they can.

Their behaviour will be what will lead to the last thing they want ...