Starmer's speach this morning

Glorianny

Ah now I understand. Perhaps you should look at the result of the 2017 election when the party was far left Casdon obviously some people voted for those policies. Presumably a little further to the centre would attract more votes, so why go so far away from those policies?
It really isn't justified by the evidence.

I really don’t think you understand at all. People didn’t join the party in 2017 because of the specific policies, nor did they leave because of them. It was a movement. They wanted change. It was clear by 2019 that the wrong horse and cart had been backed, they just didn’t have the ability or wherewithal to deliver, and some saw that much sooner than others - some still can’t see it.

Still can’t see it and it seems unlikely they ever will.

Germanshepherdsmum

‘Better strategy’ = far left? I voted for Blair btw. And would probably do so again.

Weird isn't it, but so did I, and and so, almost certainly, would I.

As many have noticed "There is more that unites us than divides us."

😊*DaisyAnne*. Very true.

NHS doctor & campaigner demolishes Keir Starmer’s public/private NHS partnership
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Dr Bob Gill is a leading campaigner for the restoration of the National Health Service to its former position as an entirely publicly-owned organisation serving the health of the people of the UK and not the profits of a few corporate shareholders.

On Not The Andrew Marr Show, he destroyed Keir Starmer’s claim that a future Labour government would be dedicated to “improving the NHS” by expanding private sector involvement in it.

“If Starmer was a doctor, he fails to examine the patient, fails to come up with an accurate diagnosis, but has a prescription for a medicine which is going to kill the patient,” he said.

“Where is this idle workforce in the private sector that is going to help us? Why is it necessary that we have to use private sector capacity?

“Starmer, New Labour and the Tories have all engineered a collapse of NHS services so they can present the private sector as coming to our rescue.

“The solution Starmer is prescribing for us is the same old New Labour pro-privatisation nonsense.”

He said: “Public-private partnership is a mechanism to conceal corruption… Money we pay in taxes is being siphoned off for other uses – for corporate profit, for shareholders.

“Starmer and Wes Streeting have indicated time and time again that they have no desire to restore the NHS.

“The prescription he should be writing for the NHS is a re-nationalisation Bill… That is definitely not what a Starmer-led Labour Party is going to deliver.”

He challenged our friends in the mainstream news media to get Starmer to name a single public/private partnership that has not enriched the shareholders and CEOs of the private company.

“Public/private partnership is a con trick,” he warned.

Wes Streeting was singing with Michael of Novara Media

Oh Jeremy Corbyn, on video.

Grany

NHS doctor & campaigner demolishes Keir Starmer’s public/private NHS partnership
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Dr Bob Gill is a leading campaigner for the restoration of the National Health Service to its former position as an entirely publicly-owned organisation serving the health of the people of the UK and not the profits of a few corporate shareholders.

On Not The Andrew Marr Show, he destroyed Keir Starmer’s claim that a future Labour government would be dedicated to “improving the NHS” by expanding private sector involvement in it.

“If Starmer was a doctor, he fails to examine the patient, fails to come up with an accurate diagnosis, but has a prescription for a medicine which is going to kill the patient,” he said.

“Where is this idle workforce in the private sector that is going to help us? Why is it necessary that we have to use private sector capacity?

“Starmer, New Labour and the Tories have all engineered a collapse of NHS services so they can present the private sector as coming to our rescue.

“The solution Starmer is prescribing for us is the same old New Labour pro-privatisation nonsense.”

He said: “Public-private partnership is a mechanism to conceal corruption… Money we pay in taxes is being siphoned off for other uses – for corporate profit, for shareholders.

“Starmer and Wes Streeting have indicated time and time again that they have no desire to restore the NHS.

“The prescription he should be writing for the NHS is a re-nationalisation Bill… That is definitely not what a Starmer-led Labour Party is going to deliver.”

He challenged our friends in the mainstream news media to get Starmer to name a single public/private partnership that has not enriched the shareholders and CEOs of the private company.

“Public/private partnership is a con trick,” he warned.

Wes Streeting was singing with Michael of Novara Media

Oh Jeremy Corbyn, on video.

I wish there was a "like" button.
Brilliant!

Public/private partnership - remember PFI, still being paid off? I had developer clients who were desperate to get on that bandwagon.

BTW because of NI Starmer’s meeting with high profile people like Mark Carney and Tescos boss got a bit lost in the news, but whilst all these histrionics in the Tory party is taking place, Labour is quietly meeting industrialists, farmers, bankers etc talking about their needs and ambitions.

Starmer is attracting support from all areas which hasn’t happened since the Blair era.

Yes, Starmer is talking to business people about how Labour can help business, but that sort of "trickle down" economics doesn't really help to lift people out of poverty. It is a discredited theory isn't it.

And why on earth do we need some sort of economic growth competition with other countries?
How is that going to help people who need food banks?

Glad to see though, that they are going to fund more training for medics by abolishing non dom tax status. I hope they are planning on generous bursarys for nurse training.

Terrible idea to increase the involvement of private providers though. That never helps in the long term.

Two in three Britons want new political party to take on Tories and Labour
61% want ‘completely new type of political party’, survey finds as pessimism hits record high.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-tories-starmer-sunak-poll-b2290995.html

Grany

Two in three Britons want new political party to take on Tories and Labour
61% want ‘completely new type of political party’, survey finds as pessimism hits record high.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-tories-starmer-sunak-poll-b2290995.html

Why not leave Labour and start one Grany, the time is obviously now?

That is a very interesting poll though. It shows a real lack of trust in politicians of any party to make life better for people.

The thing is there was a new party a couple of years ago and it sunk without trace, so when faced with the reality of elections people dont seem to want that.

Ilovecheese

Yes, Starmer is talking to business people about how Labour can help business, but that sort of "trickle down" economics doesn't really help to lift people out of poverty. It is a discredited theory isn't it.

I appreciate what you are saying, Ilovecheese, but this was an interesting article by Will Hutton in Sunday's Observer

Extracts:

It’s a historic moment. Working on the Advancing Purpose report published last week for the Purposeful Company thinktank (full declaration: I am co-chair), I was gobsmacked by the concern expressed by leading City figures, not only about low growth and investment, but the spillover effects on poverty, wages and life chances.

What is emerging is a growing view among the best of our businesses that strategy and values should be driven by commitment to a social purpose. In the financial services world, there is the realisation that the purpose of reviving British enterprise is self-evidently vital and must be engaged with – motivated by a healthy measure of self-interest.

There is an urgent need to reverse what is happening and the City must play its part. As the report discloses, our top insurance companies want to create a £50bn private sector national wealth fund to invest in British business – in hi-tech startups, green technologies, fast-growing companies and to help anchor our established best. It would be stronger still if done in partnership with a government willing to create its own £50bn wealth fund in parallel. Starmer and the shadow chancellor, Rachel Reeves, have already proposed such a fund. Now they have their partner: unexpectedly their policy has real traction.

The wealth fund would target investment in businesses with a declared social purpose – creating a new asset class of purposeful companies.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/feb/26/battered-by-brexit-alarmed-by-poverty-city-finding-new-sense-purpose

Worth reading the whole article. This looks promising and not 'trickle down'

It attacks the failure of business to invest in the UK

Thus today we confront the scandal that only 7% of pension fund investment is directed to infrastructure and young startup companies compared with an international average of 19%. In 2000, around 42% of the shares on the London Stock Exchange were owned by insurance companies and pension funds; today, it is about 6%. British funds backing risk and enterprise on any scale have all but disappeared. A steady drip of companies is exiting Britain: startups that list in the US rather than the UK or that are being bought out by foreign companies.

Yes, MaizieD an interesting article. I hope these top insurance companies actually mean it.
Pension funds seem to invest so heavily in property, very often empty property, which doesn't help to create a varied or modern economy.

Galaxy

The thing is there was a new party a couple of years ago and it sunk without trace, so when faced with the reality of elections people dont seem to want that.

People will have their opportunity to vote for a new party at the next election. Reform. I’m pretty sure that’s not exactly what Grany has in mind though.

motivated by a healthy measure of self-interest.

I thought that was an interesting sentence. I have argued all along that business won't invest if it cannot see enough profit for it in the potential market; in other words, that they're not going to invest in a market with significant number of impoverished people, such as in the UK today.

But they seem to be making that connection between poverty and a poor market; they want to do something about it because it's in their interests to do so. I just hope that their self interest extends to championing decent pay and conditions...

Poster campaign exposes Starmer

m.youtube.com/watch?v=R-_8LR-jlC4

Bernie Sanders calls out sky news Good

m.youtube.com/watch?v=EgoPQS1kBUw

Grany

Poster campaign exposes Starmer

m.youtube.com/watch?v=R-_8LR-jlC4

Bernie Sanders calls out sky news Good

m.youtube.com/watch?v=EgoPQS1kBUw

Are you a Tory ‘grany’?

Whitewavemark2

Grany

Poster campaign exposes Starmer

m.youtube.com/watch?v=R-_8LR-jlC4

Bernie Sanders calls out sky news Good

m.youtube.com/watch?v=EgoPQS1kBUw

Are you a Tory ‘grany’?

😂

I can see why you ask Whitewave. Grany has, if we judge from her posts, gone so far to the left she has met up with the far right and is supporting them rather than a left-of-centre Labour Party.

I suppose, when you look at it, that's what happened in the in/out vote.

At the extremes of either left or right politics, we end up in a "dictatorship" zone.

The farthest right wants such extreme freedom of the individual that political murder becomes not only possible but acceptable. The farthest left wants such extreme control by the state of the individual that here political murder also becomes not only possible but acceptable.

Let's hope those with views that are a little more flexible can save us from such a fate.

If Blair had stood with the declared intention that he would demolish the NHS he would probably never have been elected. In fact he never intended to do so. He wasn't far left was he?
Now we have a Labour leader who won't commit to stopping privatisation of the NHS, even though it is patently obvious that all privatisation does is put public money into private pockets, and he's considered centrist as well!!!
The concept of what is centrist has drifted so far to the right that it's like we've fallen down the rabbit hole
In the words of Alice "Curiouser and curiouser"