New immigration bill - how on earth will it work?

Katie I'm getting confused. Are you talking about former EU citizens, asylum seekers or those who work under the radar?

So how come immigration has increased since Brexit?

How come small businesses are closing because there's a shortage of labour?

Where's your proof that wages have increased and conditions improved?

By the way, many immigrants do other kinds of work which have contributed to GDP.

Katie59

The fact is that half the population is below average in education.
The migrant issue is not about racism it’s about foreigners coming to the UK without limit and benefiting from our culture and lifestyle, we know that many are deliberately destroying passports so they cannot be returned.

Or is anyone saying that our borders should be open to all.

Nor benefiting but contributing to our culture and lifestyle.

No you know very well that there is no suggestion that the borders should be completely open.

But stop the dead weight of such inhumane and unworkable bills. Stop the spread of hate.

Reorganise a totally dysfunctional HO and get a grip with the whole situation. 13 years they’ve had, but all they’ve done is make matters worse imo done so deliberately as their ideology of divide and rule demands a degree of othering and hate.

MaizieD reads a legal blogger who thinks the proposed legislation won’t work.
I volunteer with poor uneducated ( on the GN scale) 😉 women.
They think exactly the same as the legal blogger.
Funny old world 😊

MaizieD

Urmstongran

I never took offence. People are entitled to their opinions. Plus I’m ‘elderly’. And didn’t go to university so ‘not well educated’. I’m not racist though. So yes, 2 out of 3 means I fit the space in the Venn diagram.

It's not an 'opinion' though, Ug. It's a fact. Sadly, the 'racist' (does xenophobic sound better?) element is the tory's target demographic in promoting this legislation.

It is not racist to want to protect U.K. borders and know who/why people are seeking asylum here.

A plan desperately needs to be formed and passed and implemented ASAP, unfortunately I do not think the current Bill is that plan.

it's been hitched up to the idea that people are poor as a result of immigration

Sorry growstuff but I cannot let this go unchallenged. Wages HAVE gone up in most sectors (hospitality for instance or better hours/working conditions) as the ready flow of EU seasonal workers dried up post Brexit. Polish plasterers, Bulgarian nannies and Spanish heavy goods drivers became less available and firms had to entice UK folk to pick up the slack. Of course they weren’t ‘sending money home’ at a good exchange rate and had mortgages to pay here so wages had to reflect that fact.

Well certain posters on here keep making snide remarks about people who voted Leave so I'm just curious. Another thought what if you are black, elderly and poor and voted Leave a triple whammy.

The fact is that half the population is below average in education.
The migrant issue is not about racism it’s about foreigners coming to the UK without limit and benefiting from our culture and lifestyle, we know that many are deliberately destroying passports so they cannot be returned.

Or is anyone saying that our borders should be open to all.

MaizieD

Urmstongran

I never took offence. People are entitled to their opinions. Plus I’m ‘elderly’. And didn’t go to university so ‘not well educated’. I’m not racist though. So yes, 2 out of 3 means I fit the space in the Venn diagram.

It's not an 'opinion' though, Ug. It's a fact. Sadly, the 'racist' (does xenophobic sound better?) element is the tory's target demographic in promoting this legislation.

Of course it is! And when it fails, there's the double whammy that they can blame those "woke" luvvie lawyers and civil servants (all living in Islington apparently ).

Maudi

What if you are black or an ethnic minority and voted leave what does that make you? What if you have mixed race family but you are white and voted leave? Or do you have to be white to be racist? Sunak and Suella Braverman are people of colour and its their Bill going through parliament to Stop Illegal Migrants what group do they come under and to add to his sins Sunak voted Leave 🤔 Uneducated, Racist or Old or do some have a get out clause?

QED.

What bit of growstuff's post don't you understand, Maudi?

Nobody has ever claimed that everybody who voted for Brexit is racist or not well-educated.

Maudi I think you should mug up Venn diagrams.

Maudi

What if you are black or an ethnic minority and voted leave what does that make you? What if you have mixed race family but you are white and voted leave? Or do you have to be white to be racist? Sunak and Suella Braverman are people of colour and its their Bill going through parliament to Stop Illegal Migrants what group do they come under and to add to his sins Sunak voted Leave 🤔 Uneducated, Racist or Old or do some have a get out clause?

That doesn't make sense.

Why on earth shouldn't a black person have the same concerns about the EU as anybody else?

One of Cummings' big ideas wasn't a new one at all. He was so arrogant he even boasted in public meetings about creating division (to prove how clever he is).

This is pure UKIP, but it's been hitched up to the idea that people are poor as a result of immigration.

The Tories don't have any ideas for the economy (except to make themselves rich), so they're having to keep the culture wars going.

Socially conservative voters include Labour voters and the Tories are trying to keep them on their side.

Urmstongran

I never took offence. People are entitled to their opinions. Plus I’m ‘elderly’. And didn’t go to university so ‘not well educated’. I’m not racist though. So yes, 2 out of 3 means I fit the space in the Venn diagram.

It's not an 'opinion' though, Ug. It's a fact. Sadly, the 'racist' (does xenophobic sound better?) element is the tory's target demographic in promoting this legislation.

At least I’m educated well enough to remember Venn diagrams growstuff from my maths lessons! 🤣

What if you are black or an ethnic minority and voted leave what does that make you? What if you have mixed race family but you are white and voted leave? Or do you have to be white to be racist? Sunak and Suella Braverman are people of colour and its their Bill going through parliament to Stop Illegal Migrants what group do they come under and to add to his sins Sunak voted Leave 🤔 Uneducated, Racist or Old or do some have a get out clause?

But but but Urmstongran it's not an opinion that more racists, poorly educated and old voted for Brexit! It's a fact!

What is irritating that people (wilfully?) misunderstand the data.

My favourite legal blogger thinks that the proposed legislation is unlikely to be passed and implemented before the next GE. It's just a vote winning/retaining ploy. I sincerely hope they are mistaken.

That is, of course, why the tories are doing nothing of a practical, legal, humane, nature to make the problem go away. They want to keep people stirred up about it.

davidallengreen.com/2023/03/the-illegal-migration-bill-is-about-political-theatre-not-serious-law-making/#respond

Thank goodness you mentioned Venn diagrams. I was thinking of trying to draw one, to demonstrate that not all Brexiters are racist, poorly educated or old.

I never took offence. People are entitled to their opinions. Plus I’m ‘elderly’. And didn’t go to university so ‘not well educated’. I’m not racist though. So yes, 2 out of 3 means I fit the space in the Venn diagram.

Nobody has ever claimed that everybody who voted for Brexit is racist or not well-educated.

You could write that in letters of fire ten feet high, growstuff and you'll still get leave voters taking it personally.

Racists, those with low educational qualifications - and the elderly - make up a subset of those who voted to leave. They make up a bigger subset than the subset with same characteristics who voted to remain.

nanna8

I was under the impression the majority of the population voted for Brexit. Are the majority racist then ? Are the majority older people? Are the majority not very well educated? Just wondering.

No, it doesn't work like that. Nobody has ever claimed that everybody who voted for Brexit is racist or not well-educated.

How much spare capacity is actually available in RAF bases?

Apparently, there were 45,000 asylum seekers last year and most of them are still waiting to have their applications considered.

Apart from the fact I think the whole policy is inhumane, it bothers me that the blurb at the beginning of the legislation indicates that Braverman knows that it's possibly illegal. It really concerns me that a senior government minister (a lawyer) is prepared to push the limits of international and national law.

I was under the impression the majority of the population voted for Brexit. Are the majority racist then ? Are the majority older people? Are the majority not very well educated? Just wondering.