New immigration bill - how on earth will it work?

Glorianny

I'm so fed up of "this won't affect you and we are the ones suffering"attitude.
Of course people like you are suffering. Of course there are not enough hospitals/GPs/school places etc. Of course some areas are suffering huge deprivation. But none of those things are the fault of refugees or asylum seekers. They are the fault of a government which has shown no support for public services in particular the Health service and which has rewarded the super rich. They conned you into thinking austerity was necessary and Brexit was a good idea, and now you are thinking they didn't do too good a job they are trying to blame everything on asylum seekers.
If GL isn't affected by the situation how on earth are the likes of JRM? They will sit in their mansions passing millions to their mates whilst you target those poorer and less fortunate than you. Because that's how they keep control and stay in power.

Very well said Glorianny!

I was, Whitemark, but didn’t do that sort of work, nor did any firm I was with. I always refer to these human rights law firms, paid by the taxpayer, as Scummy & Co. I have no respect for them.

Ross Atkins has tweeted a 3minute video of Gary Lineker on The Media Show explaining exactly how and why he tweets

A very impressive explanation, given by an intelligent and empathetic man.

Germanshepherdsmum

‘Lefty lawyers’ as Sunak rightly calls them. Paid by the taxpayer, to add insult to injury.

I thought that you used to be a solicitor? Your posts surprise me.

So why cant we dump them back in Albania? Too many do goody charities and human rights lawyers

Exactly

I actually live in a house worth almost 1 million in a smart London suburb - I’m not affected at all.

But thank you for your concern.

‘Lefty lawyers’ as Sunak rightly calls them. Paid by the taxpayer, to add insult to injury.

It was stated on the BBC news last night that the majority of migrants turning up illegally on our shores last year were from Albania, a European country not at war. In other words the majority of these illegal migrants are economic migrants, not asylum seekers

So why cant we dump them back in Albania? Too many do goody charities and human rights lawyers.

I'm so fed up of "this won't affect you and we are the ones suffering"attitude.
Of course people like you are suffering. Of course there are not enough hospitals/GPs/school places etc. Of course some areas are suffering huge deprivation. But none of those things are the fault of refugees or asylum seekers. They are the fault of a government which has shown no support for public services in particular the Health service and which has rewarded the super rich. They conned you into thinking austerity was necessary and Brexit was a good idea, and now you are thinking they didn't do too good a job they are trying to blame everything on asylum seekers.
If GL isn't affected by the situation how on earth are the likes of JRM? They will sit in their mansions passing millions to their mates whilst you target those poorer and less fortunate than you. Because that's how they keep control and stay in power.

Kandinsky “This issue will never affect Gary Lineker”. Not true, he has made it his business and it is affecting him. He has taken a personal stand and is prepared to face the consequences.

Exempt

It has been confirmed as I feared earlier in the week that children are not except from this ugly bill.

Even some quite hardline Tories are askance.

....and now of course we have the Windrush Scandal, where the current Conservative regime attempted to send back Windrush incomers:

this needs careful reading:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windrush_scandal

but here is the initial summary

"The Windrush scandal was a British political scandal that began in 2018 concerning people who were wrongly detained, denied legal rights, threatened with deportation, and in at least 83 cases[1][2][3] wrongly deported from the UK by the Home Office. Many of those affected had been born British subjects and had arrived in the UK before 1973, particularly from Caribbean countries, as members of the "Windrush generation"[4] (so named after the Empire Windrush, the ship that brought one of the first groups of West Indian migrants to the UK in 1948).[5]

As well as those who were deported, an unknown number were detained, lost their jobs or homes, had their passports confiscated, or were denied benefits or medical care to which they were entitled".

At least read the first full section.

To me is shows a depravity at the heart of current leadership in Conservative thinking which we now see in full force under Braverman.

I am sure there are many who are completely unaware of the above, and would not have countenanced it, whatever their political background. It was pretty hushed up.

The Tories are targeting the wrong illegal boat people

thebarnetgroup.org/tbg/uk-black-history-the-windrush-generation/

"During World War Two, many thousands of Caribbean workers had contributed to the war effort either as volunteers in the armed forces or technicians, and while some remained, the majority were de-mobbed and returned to the colonies. After the war ended in May 1945, more than three thousand Caribbean men decided to remain in Britain.

Following World War Two, there was a serious shortage of labour in Britain. To help rebuild the economy, an estimated 1.3 million workers were needed. The British Nationality Act 1948 allowed those from Jamaica and Barbados, and others living in Commonwealth counties, full rights of entry and settlement in Britain. The British Government invited and actively encouraged “fine young West Indians” to come to the UK to take up the job vacancies that weren’t being filled, and many took up the invitation to work as nurses, midwifes, ancillary workers, cleaners, cooks, and porters, as well as factory labourers or employed in the bus, underground, and rail services. Industries like British Rail and the newly-created National Health Service heavily recruited from the Caribbean – others, such as the Metropolitan Police, rejected applicants because of their ethnicity."

Wyllow3 we never invited the Windrush generation. That's an absolute myth. The West indies had lots of unemployment and asked if we would take them

what sticks me about Braverman is the similarity of the rhetoric to Enoch Powell - "rivers of blood et al" and at the time, we'd even invited the wind rush generation to come here to work!

why can Braverman not see that we have potentially some much needed workers in our country and give the who can contribute access to those vital jobs? Just defeats me her thinking.

BTW, I don't think it will get past the HoL nor juridical challenges. I think its IS a cynical attempt to win votes in the worst kind of way - creating hate and division.

I think GL speaking up is just the tip of the iceberg and many will follow.

GrannyGravy13 we need safe routes for genuine refugees: we need to clear the backlog.
Yes I also want to know who enters the UK, its a matter of resourcing so we can effectively but compassionately do it.

This issue will never affect Gary Lineker.

He can afford to think the way he does - from the comfort of his 4 million pound mansion in Surrey.

Wyllow3

Jut listen to the catch up on R4 Any Answers, Farzanah you will find we are in good if very varied company. Few devoted "snowflakes", but a lot of very thoughtful people with a variety of standpoints.

Using the term "snowflakes" is simply lazy and shorthand for a whole range of very very complex social and cultural views.

Not just that - its so over used its lost its power unless you belong to a small group of people who just dont want to face complexity or change or acceptance of diversity and progress..

I am pro diversity and progress.

I am anti not knowing who is entering the U.K. and why.

I am anti Suella Braverman’s proposed Bill.

Jut listen to the catch up on R4 Any Answers, Farzanah you will find we are in good if very varied company. Few devoted "snowflakes", but a lot of very thoughtful people with a variety of standpoints.

Using the term "snowflakes" is simply lazy and shorthand for a whole range of very very complex social and cultural views.

Not just that - its so over used its lost its power unless you belong to a small group of people who just dont want to face complexity or change or acceptance of diversity and progress..

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I’m proud to be backing Lineker and from what I can see I’m in good company, and wouldn’t like to be chums with some of the well known who aren’t 😱

“Snowflakes unite”.

Oh my, incredible and sophisticated understanding of social and political forces at work.
Just bung a label on.

Job done?

How nice to see that not all on GN are liberal snowflakes