So how can we show our disgust ...

Well said Ramola The LibDems are best placed to defeat the Tories in very many constituencies.

No-one should waste their vote by voting for a third placed Labour candidate if we are rto boot out the Tories.

Until we get electoral reform, tactical voting is the only way.

There are a lot of cynics on this thread, who seem to think that a Labour government would be as bad as this one. But it must be the case that we need a change of government after so many years.
Do not be complacent and expect Labour to win the next GE. There are plenty of "I'm all right Jack" Conservatives who think the Tories will keep their taxes low and the "foreigners" out. FPTP will help them again; we should also be campaigning for PR.
We can all do our bit to make change happen I went out canvassing for the Lib Dems yesterday, as they are the only party in this constituency which can dislodge the Conservative MP. And... I met lots of charming and interesting people of all ages, including Labour supporters, and did lots of walking. What's not to like?
If you want change, you have to get out there and do your bit to make it happen.

MaizieD

Whitewavemark2

Dear oh dear. Can you think what correction you need?

For context see image in Wwmk2's post at 19.44

Am I reading this right?

JRM is supporting Fiona Bruce excusing Stanley Johnson by saying he only broke his wife's nose once because he thinks that women are not excused from 'correction' and 'assertive guidance can be useful, though serious injury should not be inflicted'

'Correction' and 'assertive, but non injuring, 'guidance' are needed and useful.

Does this sound like JRM supporting physical 'chastisement' of a wife (or female partner) ?

I think this needs a thread all of its own. In Chat, maybe.

Where did you find the quote, Wwmk2?

JRM is an odious individual and on the face of it he’s supporting physical ‘correction’ of women - although I suspect it’s a spectacular humour fail. But I have to print out that FB wasn’t supporting SJ. She was quoting from a supporting statement to the police from one of his friends.

Casdon

Equally though Chardy many people who were unable to support Labour in the last few years have now turned back because of the way the party has changed to meet the agenda of today. The polls tell a very clear story.

Thank you Casdon. I felt politically homeless when Corbyn was leader but I still voted Labour because it was better than the alternative. Sadly our excellent Labour mp lost his seat - people told those of us canvassing they’d never vote Labour with corbyn in charge.

True, Casdon - and some of us feel he is at least left-of-Blair!

Equally though Chardy many people who were unable to support Labour in the last few years have now turned back because of the way the party has changed to meet the agenda of today. The polls tell a very clear story.

Many people have been left politically homeless.

Chardy

Maybee70 Starmer has moved the Labour Party to the right. He makes promises, then breaks promises. He has expelled many from the party because they disagree with him. (Eg he's expelled more Jews from LP than every other leader in total in his crusade against Anti-semitism)
Rachel Reeves is Shadow Chancellor. She told vulnerable people when in Miliband's shadow team that she'd 'tougher than Tories' on those on benefits, and that 'Labour is not for you' if you are not 'in work'. Corbyn didn't want such rhetoric, but Starmer seems very positive about her.
Wes Streeting does seem keen on driving towards a privatised/insurance-based NHS. He's publicly negative about NHS staff.
This is not the Labour Party I've supported for 50 years.

We live in a different world to how it was 50 years ago. The Labour Party has to adapt. I think it’s wrong to say they’re moving to the right: imo they’re moving to the centre ground that enabled the party to win three elections. I looked up how many times the Conservative Party have won elections compared to Labour and was shocked by how few years Labour have had in power. Look what happened when Corbyn ( who I voted for in both elections by the way) took the party to the left. It gave the Conservatives the sort of majority that virtually turned the country into a dictatorship with disastrous results.

Wyllow3

Chardy

Galaxy

Join an opposition party, fundraise for them, post leaflets in the rain, boring stuff like that I am afraid.

Sadly the Opposition Party are no better. They care little for ordinary people, and nothing for the vulnerable.

Oh my Chardy. My local Labour party branch has, since January, been door knocking 3 times a week on doors of the most deprived sections of our ward finding out what people want most and what their priorities are. whatever the weather. I am part of a local Labour Party initiative working week on week of proposals to make Mental health provision fit for purpose..I'm in he vulnerable category as I receive MH services but my opinion is valued if anything more keenly than "theorists".

Many people in my ward are actively involved in the local food banks and volunteer at the local library which is volunteer run.

How wrong you are. We are just ordinary members. The local Labour MP's I know care passionately!

My local CLP has been good-to-excellent on local issues Willow3 too. I live in a true blue area, and they've worked wonders at a local level. Sadly I don't see this reflected at national level.

Maybee70 Starmer has moved the Labour Party to the right. He makes promises, then breaks promises. He has expelled many from the party because they disagree with him. (Eg he's expelled more Jews from LP than every other leader in total in his crusade against Anti-semitism)
Rachel Reeves is Shadow Chancellor. She told vulnerable people when in Miliband's shadow team that she'd 'tougher than Tories' on those on benefits, and that 'Labour is not for you' if you are not 'in work'. Corbyn didn't want such rhetoric, but Starmer seems very positive about her.
Wes Streeting does seem keen on driving towards a privatised/insurance-based NHS. He's publicly negative about NHS staff.
This is not the Labour Party I've supported for 50 years.

All I can say to that, is that we all must have been very naughty indeed in a past life

micmc47

We get the Government we deserve, and will no doubt end up deserving the next one too..

Is this really true?
I think not.

Galaxy

I would think JRM would have legal grounds to address that, that will be good wont it if JRM comes out looking like the good guy.

I think he has genuinely said enough vile things to be able to counteract that possibility.

Unfortunately I suspect the main opposition party will turn out to be just as bad as the one you have now. Where are all the competent and inspirational leaders in the world ? Not in politics that’s for sure.

Oh I dont think it's your fault WW I think it's the original tweet.

Galaxy

I would think JRM would have legal grounds to address that, that will be good wont it if JRM comes out looking like the good guy.

Good guy?😄 now we really are in fantasy world.

How true.

The only way is to try to learn from experience, but it is very difficult at times.

However, I would not be so foolish as to post the lie twice and keep repeating it even though I know it isn’t true.

The way really is to check, but my problem is - time- I have enough trouble keeping up with everything that is going on and rarely have time to look at something in depth. Still, it’s good when others do.

I would think JRM would have legal grounds to address that, that will be good wont it if JRM comes out looking like the good guy.

It fooled me. Thanks for correcting, FannyC.

I only hope it's not flying uncontrollably round the world in the way that lies do.

I recall someone making a joke about there being no money left in the UK Treasury. That was 15 years ago and has been refuted countless times but it still surfaces here on Gnet, quoted as the truth, with depressing regularity.

Skunkhair Were you suggesting that I was ‘blaming anyone’, or was it meant more generally?
I certainly wasn’t blaming anyone, I’m sorry if that was the impression.
I only found out because I was intrigued (and in the grips of insomnia 😣)

I’m not sure if I think it was ‘satire’, I think it was unnecessarily unpleasant and sh*t stirry.
The first person to respond to the tweet was a horrified victim of domestic violence; I don’t think that she’d find it very funny

When it comes to political satire, on Twitter for example, it is getting harder to tell the difference between that and reality. You can hardly blame people when they fall for some of the nonsense printed online! We are living in strange times.

Thanks fc

‘A satirical side swipe’ reckons the author of the fake news. Oh my aching sides

MaizieD

JRM advocating non injuring wife beating correction is clearly not of great interest...

Again, it’s not true. It didn’t happen

Whitewavemark2

Dear oh dear. Can you think what correction you need?

This is 100 % not true
JRM did not say anything of the sorry.
It was some ‘wag’ on Twitter taking the proverbial.
As much as I dislike Mogg, and his views in particular, I also hate this sort of thing muddying the already murky waters