So how can we show our disgust ...

MaizieD

BTW. Life expectancy is falling in the UK.

Likely because of obesity and the NHS cuts, no treatment die sooner, less care cost.

Not everyone here shares your disgust OP.

When it comes to any party likely to get elected in the UK there will be very little difference in the policies actually put in operation.
They will say they are better and there will be tinkering at the edges, the reality is if we want better services, we have to pay more. Not the rich there are too few and their money is tied up out of reach, all the rest of us, yes, you, me and aunt Mabel.

The very best we can hope for is a competent PM, not a self obsessed comedian like Johnson, best to forget Truss.

BTW. Life expectancy is falling in the UK.

JRM advocating non injuring wife beating correction is clearly not of great interest...

FannyCornforth

biglouis

We are too soft in this country. We should protest like the French.

Absolutely
They are currently up in arms because the retirement age in France is being raised from 62 to 64.
I’ve always thought that ‘our’ animosity towards the French is because we are secretly envious of their feistiness and noncompliance

The retirement age does need to increase in France. Life expectancy is now longer than it was certainly for my grandparents generation and even my parents.

I reached the state pension age at 60 having worked for 42 years. I could live until I'm ninety which means that for one third of my life I will be receiving the state pension. It so happens that I am still working at 76. I enjoy what I do - it keeps my brain active. I'll probably give up at 80 because of the changes that are coming along with taxes.

Galaxy

That's interesting Wyllow, I have had a few conversations on here about the labour party, and there seems to be some similar experiences, in that I have found my branch very supportive and hard working, very decent people, I have found my CLP more challenging shall we say.

Indeed, Galaxy!

Whitewavemark2

Dear oh dear. Can you think what correction you need?

For context see image in Wwmk2's post at 19.44

Am I reading this right?

JRM is supporting Fiona Bruce excusing Stanley Johnson by saying he only broke his wife's nose once because he thinks that women are not excused from 'correction' and 'assertive guidance can be useful, though serious injury should not be inflicted'

'Correction' and 'assertive, but non injuring, 'guidance' are needed and useful.

Does this sound like JRM supporting physical 'chastisement' of a wife (or female partner) ?

I think this needs a thread all of its own. In Chat, maybe.

Where did you find the quote, Wwmk2?

That's interesting Wyllow, I have had a few conversations on here about the labour party, and there seems to be some similar experiences, in that I have found my branch very supportive and hard working, very decent people, I have found my CLP more challenging shall we say.

Chardy

Galaxy

Join an opposition party, fundraise for them, post leaflets in the rain, boring stuff like that I am afraid.

Sadly the Opposition Party are no better. They care little for ordinary people, and nothing for the vulnerable.

Oh my Chardy. My local Labour party branch has, since January, been door knocking 3 times a week on doors of the most deprived sections of our ward finding out what people want most and what their priorities are. whatever the weather. I am part of a local Labour Party initiative working week on week of proposals to make Mental health provision fit for purpose..I'm in he vulnerable category as I receive MH services but my opinion is valued if anything more keenly than "theorists".

Many people in my ward are actively involved in the local food banks and volunteer at the local library which is volunteer run.

How wrong you are. We are just ordinary members. The local Labour MP's I know care passionately!

Dear oh dear. Can you think what correction you need?

Perhaps you mean poll tax ayse.

Chardy

Galaxy

Join an opposition party, fundraise for them, post leaflets in the rain, boring stuff like that I am afraid.

Sadly the Opposition Party are no better. They care little for ordinary people, and nothing for the vulnerable.

Can you give me examples of this please…

It worked in England against the pole tax as well!

Well we did take to the streets to march against going to war with Iraq, perhaps that showed us the futility of protest.
Having said that, it seemed to work in Scotland with the Poll tax.

I agree that the main opposition party is not much different to the Tories, maybe the answer is to vote in large numbers for outlying parties like the Greens, in order to show that being right wing is not the sure fire vote winner that both the main parties think it is.

We have to chip away at showing support for others who are standing up to be heard, like Gary Lineker, fund those who are fighting for human rights for others, and positively support strikers.
I’ve always been quite moderate but enough is enough. We are experiencing the thin end of a dangerous right wing wedge.
I actually believe that extreme right wing or extreme left wing are equally damaging and dangerous. So for me, I would prefer to see proportional representation.

M0nica

But where does demonstrating get the French? Their pension age is still going to rise, as with many other things they have demonstrated against - anyway how do we know that demonstrators are representative of the country as a whole?

It’s only going to rise to 64 though Monica, not 67 which it will be soon for the UK. So maybe all the protesting is achieving something!

Campaign for electoral reform. Remember that this "landslide victory" of an eighty seat majority that the Tories got in 2019 was a result of them getting only 43% of the votes. 57% of those who voted voted against them - yet we ended up with a corrupt right wing dictatorship.

We need to elect our government by PR. Belarus is the only other European country to use the undemocratic FPTP electoral system.

We get the Government we deserve, and will no doubt end up deserving the next one too..

But where does demonstrating get the French? Their pension age is still going to rise, as with many other things they have demonstrated against - anyway how do we know that demonstrators are representative of the country as a whole?

Go on then Bluebelle off to man the barricades with a thermos😁

We do need to take to the streets I admire the French for their ability to collect the masses when needed

growstuff

Chardy

Galaxy

Join an opposition party, fundraise for them, post leaflets in the rain, boring stuff like that I am afraid.

Sadly the Opposition Party are no better. They care little for ordinary people, and nothing for the vulnerable.

Aren't all people just ordinary?

I'm still wondering who the unordinary people are.

Millionaires? Billionaires? Overpaid footballers? Overpaid football pundits?
Ordinary people is just a phrase for most of the rest of us, worrying about bills, having to use the NHS and generally trying to get by in life.

Galaxy

Join an opposition party, fundraise for them, post leaflets in the rain, boring stuff like that I am afraid.

Exactly.
Hope for the Party you support to get in next time.Then listen to all the moans from those who didn’t want them in power, and so it goes on.
It’s a symptom of the modern world that people want instant changes to anything they don’t like.😄
Other things to do, email your MP, write angry letters to newspapers, join online petitions.
None of those will achieve anything but will make you feel better. Having a moan on social media is the last resort.

Chardy

Galaxy

Join an opposition party, fundraise for them, post leaflets in the rain, boring stuff like that I am afraid.

Sadly the Opposition Party are no better. They care little for ordinary people, and nothing for the vulnerable.

Aren't all people just ordinary?

I'm still wondering who the unordinary people are.