NI and DUP

Entirely predictable. For once wwm we are in absolute agreement on a political issue.

No surprises there wwm2.

Me too GSM and WWM.
I was disgusted at their reaction.

The people in NI need Stormont to be up and functioning.

this is dangerous as it encourages extremes on both sides when we hoped so much that there would be less "siding" post the Good Friday agreement.

I think it will mean a further waning in their popularity.... but as I say, encourages extremes.

Yep, no surprise there. What are these people on?

The news suggested not what Sunak wants, because he wants his party to be behind him on this one.

I really do not know what the DUP are holding out for.

The why is sadly obvious - there are still people who are so sectarian that they can't look at the wellbeing of the people as a whole.

If only Gladstone had prevailed in 1886...

Yes, entirely predictable and based on ideology.

What do they want?

From what I can see they have the best of both worlds - unlike the rest of us.

At last year's Stormont election the DUP's vote fell to 21.3%

They do not speak for the people of Northern Ireland.

How long are we going to let the DUP run the country, no, not NI- the UK!?!

This is so so wrong.

Well, they effectively removed Teresa May from power by holding back on negotiations- my, the online discussions about NI at the time and fears re Good Friday agreement.

And I recall so long spent in the HoC spent on this one issue - when goodness knows we had other things to get on with because already issues like the Care system were on the table.

Yet their power has shrunk perhaps party because of delays. Maybe this is a sad wake up call as to a long history that is so hard to resolve.

Can anyone think, "OK, whats in it for them?" "where's the hidden agenda?"

beyond me.

Oh and predictably the ERG are once again joining forces with the DUP to hold the country to ransom.

It really is time that the Tory leadership faced these disrupters down.

We’ve had years of chaos because of their activity, and now they appear to be planning to plunge the U.K. into another unnecessary crises.

Sunak needs to threaten them with withdrawing the whip otherwise he is going to look very weak.

He has Labour support, so there is no danger of the agreement failing.

The DUP will not have the majority of support in NI. Their position is untenable and May well threaten peace.

On the other hand, the DUP are very good at brinkmanship, so it may be just a case of squeezing Sunak for more concessions.

DUP + ERG - the most disastrous 'alliance' ever, and causing massive damage to the country and all of us.

How long can we allow them to scupper the country for their own benefit?

It’s good to see Labour co-operating on this, it improves their credibility a lot and allows us to move away from extremist politics.

The only reason the DUP are holding NI to ransom is they don't want to play second fiddle to a Sinn Fein First Minister. Voters in NI should not vote for them if they want a functioning government there.

I've just read that Johnson and Truss are both voting against the deal. What is wrong with them?

volver3

I've just read that Johnson and Truss are both voting against the deal. What is wrong with them?

How long have you got?

😁😁😁 Oh I know, its not a laughing matter.

This is the list so far of those hoping to bring on more chaos.

I think Sunak should make it a 3 line whip and threatened to take the whip away from any not supporting the government.

Johnson
Duncan Smith
Truss
Patel
Francois
Rees Mogg
Duddridge
Jones
Jenkyns
Bone

“I think Sunak should make it a 3 line whip and threatened to take the whip away from any not supporting the government. “

There is no point he has given up on them and nobody is likely to challenge him as leader, he wants to appear as reasonable as possible and build a decent relationship with EU.

Then he will appear weak.

Whitewavemark2

This is the list so far of those hoping to bring on more chaos.

I think Sunak should make it a 3 line whip and threatened to take the whip away from any not supporting the government.

Johnson
Duncan Smith
Truss
Patel
Francois
Rees Mogg
Duddridge
Jones
Jenkyns
Bone

I know an official list doesn't exist (and how wrong is that!!!) but are they all ERG?

twitter.com/g_gosden/status/1545837675554422786?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1545837675554422786%7Ctwgr%5E8adfe144465c6ec5bd1ce643927f0c6b6873eb03%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thelondoneconomic.com%2Fpolitics%2Fkrishnan-guru-murthy-masterclass-nails-suella-braverman-over-erg-329234%2F

I think so. Braverman is one I think but not on the list - cabinet member I suppose.

The whip should certainly be withdrawn from former PMs who got us into this mess, and indeed my own MP, Ian Dimwit Smith.