Johnson and Trump

MaizieD

Zoe65

Of course tugenhat would say that .he’s an avid remainer .

What on earth does being 'an avid remainer' have to do with Tugendhat saying that Johnson is a liar.

He just spoke the truth. Johnson is a liar. He has been sacked for lying in the past. He lies continually and unashamedly.

Another Johnson legacy. Splitting the country into remainers and leavers. Just remember Johnson only became a remainer on the toss of a coin.

I mean leaver. He was up till then pro EU…

Here is an interesting clip from last night's Question Time.
The topic was Boris Johnson (of course).
Fiona Bruce asked the audience, which she said comprised predominately tory voters, reflecting the constituency's 2019 GE result, to put their hands up if they thought Johnson was telling the truth.

mobile.twitter.com/torysleazeUK/status/1639044744847441921

The thing is most people knew Johnson was a liar long before he became PM. It wasnt a surprise. Theres something about the way we as a society interact with him that is quite odd. It's like we see him as a small child who has no real control over his actions but who we indulge anyway.

Thanks for the clip MaizieD, I didn’t watch last night. Seeing the audience response has restored my faith in people. I looked at the mail on line earlier - talk about twisting reality.

While not condoning the actions of Mr. Johnson with al these accusations and counter accusations have attracted such concern yet when Mr. Blair blatantly and repeatedly lied about 'Weapons of Mass Destruction', no action was taken about misleading Parliament.
I would have thought the resulting deaths of service people as a direct consequence, just might be of interest to the Nation.
So why is this ridiculous event taking place.

He is a failure, he was even voted out by his own party, why is he still in politics, he should be deselected and replaced with someone honest.

silvercollie

While not condoning the actions of Mr. Johnson with al these accusations and counter accusations have attracted such concern yet when Mr. Blair blatantly and repeatedly lied about 'Weapons of Mass Destruction', no action was taken about misleading Parliament.
I would have thought the resulting deaths of service people as a direct consequence, just might be of interest to the Nation.
So why is this ridiculous event taking place.

Whataboutery butters no parsnips.

silvercollie

While not condoning the actions of Mr. Johnson with al these accusations and counter accusations have attracted such concern yet when Mr. Blair blatantly and repeatedly lied about 'Weapons of Mass Destruction', no action was taken about misleading Parliament.
I would have thought the resulting deaths of service people as a direct consequence, just might be of interest to the Nation.
So why is this ridiculous event taking place.

It's not as if the war went unchallenged though is it?

At least 750,000 attended the Stop The War rally in London. Some say it was closer to one million people.

... and have you not read (or heard) many people still calling for Blair to appear before the Hague? I'd say the nation is still very 'interested'. He has not been forgiven by many - maybe most, I don't know.

What do you find "ridiculous" about Johnson appearing before the committee?

silvercollie

While not condoning the actions of Mr. Johnson with al these accusations and counter accusations have attracted such concern yet when Mr. Blair blatantly and repeatedly lied about 'Weapons of Mass Destruction', no action was taken about misleading Parliament.
I would have thought the resulting deaths of service people as a direct consequence, just might be of interest to the Nation.
So why is this ridiculous event taking place.

Please listen to The Rest is Politics in which Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart discuss the events that led to us supporting America in the Iraq war. Rory doesn’t hold back with his criticism and it is a very in depth explanation about what happened and the mood of the world at the time (ie post 9/11). There are three discussions which cover the lead up to the war and the effect it has had on world politics. And also please remember that, whatever you think of Blair, he did help bring about peace*in Ireland and Yugoslavia.
*something that Johnson’s brexit almost ruined and even up to the vote the other day Johnson was still trying to destroy

Thanks MayBe, I’ve been listening to the rest is politics, excellent analysis.

I'm another fan of "The rest is politics" and I agree it's an excellent analysis. I find it really valuable to listen to people who have an informed opinion rather than just an axe to grind.

It’s the most popular podcast in the country at the moment. And their live shows sell out faster than Glastonbury I believe. In fact, I wonder if they’ll do Glastonbury this year? Tony Benn used to. I loved it when, when asked what they regretted about their youth, Rory said that he wished he’d read more when at University instead of ‘ trying to take girls out to tea’. Which must have made everyone listening to it chuckle.

Paddy Ashdown was another politician who was extremely popular at Glastonbury Festival.

Now I've seen the report that a school head in Florida (Trumpland) was 'invited' to resign because a class was shown an image of Michelangelo's David which one parent described as 'pornographic' I begin to understand how American dimwits can vote for Trump. Florentine art curators are said to be 'baffled' by the report.

Grantanow

Now I've seen the report that a school head in Florida (Trumpland) was 'invited' to resign because a class was shown an image of Michelangelo's David which one parent described as 'pornographic' I begin to understand how American dimwits can vote for Trump. Florentine art curators are said to be 'baffled' by the report.

Ever feel it’s two steps forward, 20 back

After 9/11 removing SaddamHussein was politically popular, he was out of control when he invaded Kuwait and had used poison gas during the Iran - Iraq war. Thousands of tons of chemicals had been supplied to Iraq, so the WMD campaign was floated. At some stage either the Gas stocks had been used up or destroyed but nobody believed that.

The mistake was that a stable government was never established to replace him, exactly the same happened when Gadhafi in Libya was removed. Then again in Afghanistan chasing Bin Laden was popular, trying to impose western democracy on Muslims was a total failure.

Polititians never learn from history Britain fought 3 Afghan wars lost 2, won 1 by bribery, the Russians lost their Afghan war, you cannot rule those that want to die for their god.

I watched that grilling by the committee. I think Johnson was hoist by his own petard, regardless of who was on that panel.

He looked, spoke and acted like the lying chancer he has always been.😗

@DiamondLily
I totally agree with you. After 60 years of lying, he still doesn't do it well.

Happygirl79

@DiamondLily
I totally agree with you. After 60 years of lying, he still doesn't do it well.

Nor does he do much else very well.

Johnson is good at nothing except lying and getting away with it - same as Trump. Why are they allowed to get away with it time and time again?

Katie59

After 9/11 removing SaddamHussein was politically popular, he was out of control when he invaded Kuwait and had used poison gas during the Iran - Iraq war. Thousands of tons of chemicals had been supplied to Iraq, so the WMD campaign was floated. At some stage either the Gas stocks had been used up or destroyed but nobody believed that.

The mistake was that a stable government was never established to replace him, exactly the same happened when Gadhafi in Libya was removed. Then again in Afghanistan chasing Bin Laden was popular, trying to impose western democracy on Muslims was a total failure.

Polititians never learn from history Britain fought 3 Afghan wars lost 2, won 1 by bribery, the Russians lost their Afghan war, you cannot rule those that want to die for their god.

Polititians never learn from history Britain fought 3 Afghan wars lost 2, won 1 by bribery, the Russians lost their Afghan war, you cannot rule those that want to die for their god.

I think this is so relevant. That's why the "war on terror" cannot be won. You can eliminate individual insurgents, but obviously there will always be another to take his place - and another waiting in the wings to take over from him. In fact I believe the number of terror-groups actually increased - it's now trans-national.

I have absolutely no idea how this war can be 'won' - I doubt in fact that it can be. You just cannot impose western democracy on a people who adhere to a religion which, by its very nature, cannot really embrace democracy. A very simplistic observation, I realise, there are different 'understandings' and interpretations of Islam, not to mention the variations by scholars in Islamic philosophy.

As for Donald Trump... “I will quickly and decisively bomb the hell out of ISIS, will rebuild our military and make it so strong no one—and I mean, no one—will mess with us.”...
.

At the very least, Boris Johnson - for all his despicable faults - had a tad more intelligence.

The First Gulf War was won easily in a few weeks it was a straightforward military campaign against an enemy with obselete armaments. No attempt was made to rule Kuwait or Iraq, most nations in the Middle East are virtual military dictatorships opposition is not tolerated.

Different sects of Islam are at each others throats, democracy does not exist, western interference precipitated widespread death and destruction and a migrant crisis of biblical proportions.

Katie59

The First Gulf War was won easily in a few weeks it was a straightforward military campaign against an enemy with obselete armaments. No attempt was made to rule Kuwait or Iraq, most nations in the Middle East are virtual military dictatorships opposition is not tolerated.

Different sects of Islam are at each others throats, democracy does not exist, western interference precipitated widespread death and destruction and a migrant crisis of biblical proportions.

The First Gulf War was won easily...

Gosh, yes - I'd forgotten about that. It seems so long ago now.

Your second paragraph - just yes, that's how it is.

Grantanow
Yes, you are right - there were 70 Million “dimwits” that voted for Trump in 2020.

Plain and simple - he’s created a fascist cult. They hate America and anything with class.
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