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Polarisation of society

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varian Wed 29-Mar-23 11:17:55

Former US President Barak Obama has told an Australian audience that Rupert Murdoch's media empire has fuelled a polarisation of society

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/29/rupert-murdoch-has-fuelled-polarisation-of-society-barack-obama-says

varian Sat 01-Apr-23 07:22:08

I'm not interested in Rupert Murdoch's personal life ronib but I am interested in the role he has had in influencing elections.

www.theguardian.com/media/2023/mar/31/rupert-murdoch-fox-news-2020-election-dominion

Interested Sat 01-Apr-23 07:39:43

The Daily Mail is owned by Harmsworth, who doesn't pay any tax in the UK. Neither does Murdoch.

M0nica Sat 01-Apr-23 09:23:01

Passthechocolates

Caleo

Quite right Granny Gravy. It's not the fault of Daily Mail readers that they tend to have have dim ideas.

I’m actually intelligent and articulate and not even a tiny bit dim.
I suggest those criticising cast the beam out of their on eye before trying to demean other for their perfectly free choice.

I find the intellectual arrogance of so many on this thread, and others so offensive and Caleo's comment sums that attitude up so succinctly.

Sadly it seems to be that the more left wing your politics the more arrogant you are. For those of us who want a fair and just country and an end of poverty to read comments like this leaves one with a disgust of people who we should be working with side by side to achieve our aims.

Galaxy Sat 01-Apr-23 09:26:15

I'm left wing, well centre left is probably more accurate, and I have routinely said that describing people in those terms is not acceptable. It's also politically and strategically utterly counter productive. But still they keep going.

MerylStreep Sat 01-Apr-23 09:40:33

MOnica
You’re quiet right. It does occasionally piss one off.
But maybe one should pity such people who have such a jaded narrow view of mankind.

Greta Sat 01-Apr-23 09:41:30

I believe reading age plays a part here. As a population we should aim higher.

Galaxy Sat 01-Apr-23 09:43:18

My head hurts but that's from the brick wall I think.

Dickens Sat 01-Apr-23 09:54:23

I would never call anyone 'dim' because they read a paper I generally don't, or hold views opposed to mine.

I do, however, sometimes think some are "misguided" - in exactly the same way they think I am.

HousePlantQueen Sat 01-Apr-23 12:34:47

GrannyGravy13

Grantanow I actually think that when folks starting calling sectors of the electorate dimwits they have lost any credibility.

I agree, calling people dimwits because they have a different political view to you is not helpful, neither is referring to some posters as woke, snowflakes, the loony left, or libtards, or remoaners. These are all judgemental and say more about the poster than the people they are criticising.

Caleo Sat 01-Apr-23 13:15:16

Monica. it's not possible to "work side by side" with the uninformed unless the uninformed want to learn.

As for my own arrogance, I admit I am better informed than many here about certain topics. On other topics, such as politics, or serious modern novels, I seldom advance my views as I know little and find these topics difficult to understand, although I read the ideas of the better -informed with interest.

I have the impression that participators in Gransnet are generally very well informed at practical human relations, and other practical matters. Few individuals in any sphere of life are good at everything.

Caleo Sat 01-Apr-23 13:21:14

Passthechocolates, yes, you do have a free choice but you also have a responsibility to contribute as well as you can.

I admit my own reading is not as good as it should be or even as good as it could be, however I do know what constitutes material where better ideas are to be found.

Passthechocolates Sat 01-Apr-23 14:13:16

Caleo

Passthechocolates, yes, you do have a free choice but you also have a responsibility to contribute as well as you can.

I admit my own reading is not as good as it should be or even as good as it could be, however I do know what constitutes material where better ideas are to be found.

Not sure what you mean there @Caleo ‘you have a responsibility to contribute as well as you can’

A responsibly to who ?

I was merely objecting to being called a dimwit because I choose to read the Daily Mail.

Katie59 Sat 01-Apr-23 16:27:51

A responsibly to who ?

A responsibility to society we all have rights and responsibility, but there are plenty that demand their rights but do not contribute.

Norah Sat 01-Apr-23 16:37:02

M0nica I find the intellectual arrogance of so many on this thread, and others so offensive and Caleo's comment sums that attitude up so succinctly.

Sadly it seems to be that the more left wing your politics the more arrogant you are.

Honestly? Who are you, of all people, to call a person arrogant?

tickingbird Sat 01-Apr-23 16:51:48

You misunderstand tickingbird, what was laughable was your attempt to make a cheap political point when Johnson has made £1m from speeches in the last few months after completely cocking up this country and our future. I wasn’t condoning Blair’s actions in Iraq, he made a bad political mistake.

Nice try Casdon but that quickly thought up excuse won’t wash I’m afraid.

MaizieD Sat 01-Apr-23 16:58:33

Nice try Casdon but that quickly thought up excuse won’t wash I’m afraid.

I suppose no-one on here is obliged to tell the truth at all times, but it would be good if posters were treated as though they did.

M0nica Sat 01-Apr-23 17:13:49

Arrogance has nothing ot do with how much you or others know. It is a question of treating everyone, whether they agree with you or not as your equals in respect and not look down on them because you do not consider them as clever as you or consider their views to be beneath your contempt.

Allsorts Sat 01-Apr-23 17:18:15

Whatever these people say, they still negotiate the highest fee, I wouldn’t pay to listen to any of them, but people do and they will keep clawing it in..

Casdon Sat 01-Apr-23 18:58:35

tickingbird

^You misunderstand tickingbird, what was laughable was your attempt to make a cheap political point when Johnson has made £1m from speeches in the last few months after completely cocking up this country and our future. I wasn’t condoning Blair’s actions in Iraq, he made a bad political mistake.^

Nice try Casdon but that quickly thought up excuse won’t wash I’m afraid.

I’m blessed (cursed?) with a good memory for other frequent posters’ views on Gransnet tickingbird, and suffice to say I remember you posted along very similar lines about Blair before. I genuinely was laughing at what you said because it was so ‘you’ a comment. I’d be surprised if anybody would laugh about a war and the politics around it, they would be a very strange person if they did.

Fleurpepper Sat 01-Apr-23 19:11:15

M0nica

Arrogance has nothing ot do with how much you or others know. It is a question of treating everyone, whether they agree with you or not as your equals in respect and not look down on them because you do not consider them as clever as you or consider their views to be beneath your contempt.

Monica, views and opinions are one thing- but facts are another.

If someone says the earth is flat, I won't accept the comment as 'equal'.

Fleurpepper Sat 01-Apr-23 19:14:07

And if a certain paper, day in, day out, and this for many many decades - keeps demonising certain groups of people, and pushing hatred- then why is it surprising that those who choose to read it, and continue to read it- probably agree with the demonisation of those groups, and the divisions and hatred it creates. And no, I can't 'respect it as 'equal'.

M0nica Sat 01-Apr-23 19:57:10

Fleurpepper I didn't say accept their views as equal, most of us have views and opinions that other people think are ridiculous. It is treating the person with respect and as an equal and not a lesser mortal because they are not as clever as the commentator - and some pretty nasty remarks have been made on this thread by people who are the ones causing polarisation in society.

Galaxy Sun 02-Apr-23 07:06:24

But then you couldnt catagorise people into goodies and baddies without any critical thought, what's the fun in that.

tickingbird Sun 02-Apr-23 07:44:21

Casdon

Still not making sense. I get it. You’re embarrassed because I’ve highlighted your gross hypocrisy. Outraged at BJ’s tea party but happy to gloss over Blair’s despicable acts. Laughing because my comment was so me?? Of course it was. My loathing of Tony Blair is no secret. I’d be laughing until my sides ached if I found every ‘so you’ comment made on here about BJ funny.

Must try harder Casdon grin

Casdon Sun 02-Apr-23 08:12:18

tickingbird

Casdon

Still not making sense. I get it. You’re embarrassed because I’ve highlighted your gross hypocrisy. Outraged at BJ’s tea party but happy to gloss over Blair’s despicable acts. Laughing because my comment was so me?? Of course it was. My loathing of Tony Blair is no secret. I’d be laughing until my sides ached if I found every ‘so you’ comment made on here about BJ funny.

Must try harder Casdon grin

Have you been drinking?