Just not in the right direction 😄😄
HIGNFR
JdotJ
IF Brexit is to blame, WHY aren't there hold-ups in other border countries ??????
Because none of the other EU border countries had an infrastructure and systems designed for free movement of people and goods, and then removed those two freedoms?
JdotJ
IF Brexit is to blame, WHY aren't there hold-ups in other border countries ??????
Possibly because Dover is the gateway to southern europe in addition to Holland, Belgium, Germany and further east.
volver3
Like this you mean?
www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1746009/british-tourists-spain-holidays-airport-chaos
www.mirror.co.uk/travel/europe/what-its-like-europes-airports-27108961
It was only a short while ago that you told us not to believe everything we read in the Express
So are we now supposed to believe the link. After all, you tell us you like facts
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JdotJ
IF Brexit is to blame, WHY aren't there hold-ups in other border countries ??????
This has been explained quite a while back!
Yes, at peak times, Dover has always been a problem. But it is now much much worse due to checks required (by UK) by Brexit.
MerylStreep
volver3
Like this you mean?
www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1746009/british-tourists-spain-holidays-airport-chaos
www.mirror.co.uk/travel/europe/what-its-like-europes-airports-27108961It was only a short while ago that you told us not to believe everything we read in the Express
So are we now supposed to believe the link. After all, you tell us you like facts
So if we put links to Guardian or Independent, we are told it is all very biased. So when pro Brexit papers like the Express actually accept that Brexit is a major factor- best to quote from them, since in your own opinion, they are not 'left wing' biased.
Fleurpepper
I read the Guardian and the Independent. Both, imo are reputable newspapers so I wouldn’t tell anyone not to believe what they publish.
But we have been told not to believe the Express.
No 10 said the holdups are due to Brexit
Some people have the skills and capability to understand when a paper's inherent bias is leading them up the garden path.
Others....well, others voted Brexit.
volver3
Some people have the skills and capability to understand when a paper's inherent bias is leading them up the garden path.
Others....well, others voted Brexit.
Or, no doubt in your view voted to stay in the union😂
Amazing tho not surprising that if a person holds strong views on a subject they really believe that those who hold opposite or different views are mentally defective.
Well known on forums.
No, I'd say about 50% of the people I know personally, voted to stay in the Union. Had a coffee with one last week.
We agreed that Scotland is not being served well in the current situation. Her solution would be more devolution, mine would be independence. We discuss that. Oh I miss the days when everybody was having constitutional discussions in the queue for the bus...
None of my friends however, are of the "Too poor, too wee, too stupid" opinion.
Ive never heard anyone, except SNP supporters, use that expression volver
Aye. Good, isn't it?
Good encapsulation of the unconscious bias of some Unionists.
Never heard the phrase at all anywhere at any time or in any other form.
I thought it was just a question of national decision, and after that what happens is up to the Scottish, and is no longer of interest to the rest of the UK.
Because of Covid few were traveling enmass that we have seen this year, it’s the first “normal” year since Brexit and the arrangements have not been adequate for coaches.
We can hope that will be improved in the future.
Well, maybe someone should have realised sooner there'd be a mad rush to get away this Easter and done something to sort it.
Oh they knew- and had been warned. And this for many years too.
If BA can manage to build a new 777 in Toulon post Brexit, during covid, with parts from France, Germany, Spain and the UK, then the government is very slow to get any suitable scheme for passport control in Dover off the ground.
European school groups visiting UK subjected to "kafkaesque" Post brexit treatment
www.ft.com/content/65905653-5c2f-4247-81e3-73140dceae8a
Can't read it varian, but I assume der Prozeß, or is it der Process these days?
Sorry it is behind the FT paywall
Is a story about the treatment of a group of French school children visiting Stratford upon Avon and the absurd beaurocracy they had to deal with to get visas.
Their teacher who had been leading groups to the UK for more than twenty years described their treatment as "Kafkaesque"
Three of the children, who were nationals of China, Nigeria and Georgia wre not permitted to enter the UK although another, a Cambodian national was.
Joseanne
If BA can manage to build a new 777 in Toulon post Brexit, during covid, with parts from France, Germany, Spain and the UK, then the government is very slow to get any suitable scheme for passport control in Dover off the ground.
I'm afraid it's not just Dover.
We've just come back for a few days in France, travelling Portsmouth - Caen. Ferries both to and from France were very empty but queues at passport control took a long time to get through. I dread to think what it will be like in the summer when the ferries are fuller.
Our early morning return ferry today was late into Caen as it had been held up at Portsmouth processing several coachloads of school parties. This was the overnight ferry, which 'should' have been able to make up time on the crossing if it is a bit late leaving Portsmouth (as it has about 8 hours in which to do the normal 6 hour crossing), but it arrived so late that by the time the overnight passengers has disembarked and we'd been loaded it was 1 hour late in leaving. And this was a very empty ferry so loading didn't take as long as it would had it been fuller.
I cannot see how these ferries are going to cope with delays caused by larger loads in holiday periods
Or, as people accumulate stamps in their passports, how the French border people in the UK are going to cope with having to tot up how many days they've been in the EU to check that they're not exceeding their 90 days in 180.
varian
Sorry it is behind the FT paywall
Is a story about the treatment of a group of French school children visiting Stratford upon Avon and the absurd beaurocracy they had to deal with to get visas.
Their teacher who had been leading groups to the UK for more than twenty years described their treatment as "Kafkaesque"
Three of the children, who were nationals of China, Nigeria and Georgia wre not permitted to enter the UK although another, a Cambodian national was.
You don’t need a visa if you have a French passport, but I can imagine there are a lot of children in French schools that other passports, hence the problem.
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