Senior Tories want Braverman to stop her racist rhetoric

FannyCornforth

Alistair Campbell recently said something along these lines.

He said that the Tories aren’t trying to solve the migrant problem;
they are choosing to capitalise on it.

I think that he’s absolutely spot on

And what are his suggestions for solving it I wonder.

He doesn't have to have suggestions for solving it. He's not even in opposition. He's commenting on Braverman's behaviour and inflammatory rhetoric and I agree with his observation.

Just because people don't like Campbell doesn't make Braverman right.

Freya5

FannyCornforth

Alistair Campbell recently said something along these lines.

He said that the Tories aren’t trying to solve the migrant problem;
they are choosing to capitalise on it.

I think that he’s absolutely spot on

Ah well, Campbell, odious man. He would say that wouldn't he, a pal of Blairs who opened the country to all and sundry.

How does that make Braverman right?

But it’s very easy to snipe from the sidelines at other people doing a difficult job, isn’t it.

Baggs

And we all trust Alistair Campbell implicitly, don't we? says Baggs thinking of Labour voters putting signs in their windows saying "Not in my name" when we invaded Iraq.

Just what I was thinking! 😝

Not everybody doing a difficult job is actually any good at it though.

And if that job is one of the 4 offices of state of the UK, I'll complain all I like.

GrannyRose15

But it’s very easy to snipe from the sidelines at other people doing a difficult job, isn’t it.

But it’s completely irrelevant to the central point of the thread, which to remind you, is about senior Tories wanting Braverman to stop her racist rhetoric. You’re defecting, why not say what you think about that?

What do you think are the main problems facing the country then, MayBee70? Housing shortage? Lack of school places? An overwhelmed NHS? Low pay? High taxes? Couldn’t all these be eased if there were fewer people in the country?

Deflecting not defecting.

Casdon. I think that tough problems need tough solutions. And not everyone is going to like them. I lost patience with the fake Conservatives in the Tory party a while ago. Perhaps a genuine Conservative approach would be better for everyone.

GrannyRose15

What do you think are the main problems facing the country then, MayBee70? Housing shortage? Lack of school places? An overwhelmed NHS? Low pay? High taxes? Couldn’t all these be eased if there were fewer people in the country?

Can I answer? Maybee will probably come along later.

Underfunded NHS, polluted environment, disastrous economic situation, cost of living crisis.

Perhaps you will explain how 50,000 people arriving in the UK caused that? (That's just 0.07% of the population, by the way, and the £6million it is costing a day is £2bn a year which is less than 5% of what we squandered on a Test and Trace system that doesn't work. )

The government didn;t even feel the need to engage all the engineers and programmers and whoever else 'actual experts' to design and carry out test and trace, tells you everything really. Even people who had been asked to register with this 'government' as they had dv security clearance. Instead we had a clunky, out dated system that lined the pockets of their matey boys and girls. Tells me all I need to know about these greedy, narrow minded racists but what do I know

actual experts who live and work in the Uk on furlough with time on their hands to be involved in something that could have been something to celebrate, something that worked and could work in the future
oh no..lets give it to JIm who is friends with Matt Cock Hands or similar

We all know what the problems are. It is the solutions that are causing difficulties. Especially if every new idea is shot down before being given adequate consideration.

Well given that my list differed almost entirely from yours, I don't think we all know what the problems are at all.

For instance. You appear to think one of the problems is high taxes, I don't think we pay enough.

And I was interested to know what Maybee was thinking, Growstuff. I could have made a good guess at what you would have to say which is why I targeted my question elsewhere.

Growstuff?

No Volver. You are probably one of those who think we should all work for the government who will very generously give us a little bit back as pocket money. Whereas I think that what we earn should belong to us and we should pay a just contribution to collective expenses.

I suspect that having Braverman as Home Sec was the price Sunak paid to keep the loathsome ERG minority on side, but it is backfiring badly for him. Despite the odd person who somehow thinks that comments about Blair and the Iraq war are relevant deflection, the reality is that most people are disgusted by the racism and hypocrisy of Braverman, a woman with parents welcomed as economic refugees who is demonising other parents attempting to improve their families lives and future.

I left the gap for the predictable comments about the majority of asylum seekers being fit young men. With the latest iPhone.

Sorry I mistook you for growstuff, Volver. Can’t think why?

Bravermans mediocrity and racism makes her an easy target, nothing that she has done to date has been effective. She is quite dreadful as a HO minister.

GrannyRose15

Sorry I mistook you for growstuff, Volver. Can’t think why?

Oh I can.

Casdon the reason I asked what strategy the Labour Party has is, that whenever I ask this genuine question I met with a blank. It would help me decide who I vote for in the next General Election. Has Keir Starmer or his Party made any suggestions ?

GrannyRose15

No Volver. You are probably one of those who think we should all work for the government who will very generously give us a little bit back as pocket money. Whereas I think that what we earn should belong to us and we should pay a just contribution to collective expenses.

Eh?

Freya5

FannyCornforth

Alistair Campbell recently said something along these lines.

He said that the Tories aren’t trying to solve the migrant problem;
they are choosing to capitalise on it.

I think that he’s absolutely spot on

Ah well, Campbell, odious man. He would say that wouldn't he, a pal of Blairs who opened the country to all and sundry.

Please listen to him on The Rest is Politics with Rory Stewart. You might see him in a different light. Also The Rest is Politics Leading podcast in which he interviews non politicians. He also did three TRIP’s podcasts in which he explained the run up to Iraq and why decisions at the time made. Rory Stewart doesn’t hold back when it comes to questioning him. Alastair is also very open about his battle with depression and the podcast puts people in touch with counsellors to get help.