Dominic Raab

The skills you need depend on the people you’re managing Lucky. Some would try the patience of a saint.

I’ve worked with good heads and honestly they are like gold dust, but marvellous to work for. I always tried to emulate their approach when managing staff.

Siope

DaisyAnne, his majority in 2019 was 2,743, down from 23k in 2017, and from 32k when he was first elected in 2010

He secured 31,132 votes in 2019, against 28,389 for the LibDems, on a 77% turnout.

As I say, from a safe seat to a marginal, with some help from tactical voting.

That's interesting Siope. It's been a very Conservative area in the past.

varian

In the 2019 general election the LibDem candidate in Esher and Walton got 45% of the vote so here's hoping no-one who wants rid of Raab will waste their vote on any other party but the LibDems.

Absolutely.

Germanshepherdsmum

The skills you need depend on the people you’re managing Lucky. Some would try the patience of a saint.

Of course - but that is the nature of the job. I have managed some pretty difficult people in my time, but I hope that I did it with professionalism, objectivity and humanity. I certainly tried to.

People are people and some can be difficult. If he cannot deal with that then he was in the wrong job.

It is not enough to simply have vision and to want to get things done if you are managing a government department - you have to be good at listening and compromising and maintaining professionalism.

Civil servants should be apolitical. It seems some involved in this were not. It is clear from the report that some who had never met Raab made or supported complaints. Civil servants are there to serve the government of the day and through that the people. That they should be able to determine who their minister should be is unthinkable. Raab has asked for some of them to be investigated, and rightly so.

OurKid1

varian

In the 2019 general election the LibDem candidate in Esher and Walton got 45% of the vote so here's hoping no-one who wants rid of Raab will waste their vote on any other party but the LibDems.

Absolutely.

👀 predicted result

Germanshepherdsmum

Civil servants should be apolitical. It seems some involved in this were not. It is clear from the report that some who had never met Raab made or supported complaints. Civil servants are there to serve the government of the day and through that the people. That they should be able to determine who their minister should be is unthinkable. Raab has asked for some of them to be investigated, and rightly so.

You are believing Raab’s propaganda.

You have zero evidence of your assertion because there is none. Neither do you understand how the CS works.

I - not once in my career, and listening to friends still working at a high level in the CS witnessed this sort of behaviour.

I have read the report carefully and I know far more about the workings of the CS at a very senior level than you realise. I am not given to believing anyone’s propaganda - I am a qualified lawyer as you know - but I have carefully read and considered the report.

Raab is doing the rounds denying everything, talking about “passive-aggressive” behaviour by the CS. When challenged to give examples - he rapidly back tracked and denied any evidence.

The man is a menace.

Germanshepherdsmum

I have read the report carefully and I know far more about the workings of the CS at a very senior level than you realise. I am not given to believing anyone’s propaganda - I am a qualified lawyer as you know - but I have carefully read and considered the report.

So with your knowledge as a qualified lawyer, I would be interested to understand why you think civil servants contribute to this “passive-aggressive” culture in their day to day dealings. Perhaps to have concrete evidence ?

I’m not sure how your particular area of expertise actually gives you more knowledge than anyone else tbh.

Germanshepherdsmum

Civil servants should be apolitical. It seems some involved in this were not. It is clear from the report that some who had never met Raab made or supported complaints. Civil servants are there to serve the government of the day and through that the people. That they should be able to determine who their minister should be is unthinkable. Raab has asked for some of them to be investigated, and rightly so.

It is true that this is included in the report but you have deliberately chosen one thing which supports Raab’s perspective. Just remind us, how many substantiated allegations were there and how many different people made them? Why did Rishi Sunak consider it necessary for Raab to resign and how did he implement his replacement so quickly? He knew it was coming, that’s how.

Q. Did Raab. Break the ministerial code

A. Yes

Q. Was it a resigning matter according to the code?

A. Yes

Nothing else to say really.

Germanshepherdsmum

Civil servants should be apolitical. It seems some involved in this were not. It is clear from the report that some who had never met Raab made or supported complaints. Civil servants are there to serve the government of the day and through that the people. That they should be able to determine who their minister should be is unthinkable. Raab has asked for some of them to be investigated, and rightly so.

Please point me to an indication in the report that some civil servants were not politically neutral.

Germanshepherdsmum

Civil servants should be apolitical. It seems some involved in this were not. It is clear from the report that some who had never met Raab made or supported complaints. Civil servants are there to serve the government of the day and through that the people. That they should be able to determine who their minister should be is unthinkable. Raab has asked for some of them to be investigated, and rightly so.

Raab is clutching at straws.

Personal knowledge wwm, not professional. And ability to read the report carefully and analyse it.

Germanshepherdsmum

I have read the report carefully and I know far more about the workings of the CS at a very senior level than you realise. I am not given to believing anyone’s propaganda - I am a qualified lawyer as you know - but I have carefully read and considered the report.

And I know more about how the CS works at the highest level than you realise!

Whitewavemark2

Germanshepherdsmum

I have read the report carefully and I know far more about the workings of the CS at a very senior level than you realise. I am not given to believing anyone’s propaganda - I am a qualified lawyer as you know - but I have carefully read and considered the report.

So with your knowledge as a qualified lawyer, I would be interested to understand why you think civil servants contribute to this “passive-aggressive” culture in their day to day dealings. Perhaps to have concrete evidence ?

I’m not sure how your particular area of expertise actually gives you more knowledge than anyone else tbh.

It doesn't.

This wasn't the outcome of legal proceedings.

Did I suggest you didn’t growstuff? We may even know the same people. But I’m not at liberty to divulge and probably you aren’t either.

Germanshepherdsmum

Did I suggest you didn’t growstuff? We may even know the same people. But I’m not at liberty to divulge and probably you aren’t either.

Absolute smoke and mirrors. You have zero evidence and no real knowledge.

The fact is that poor conduct is absolutely endemic in the Tory party. Look at the culture amongst the government and the amount of ministerial misconduct. It is appalling.

Are you calling me a liar wwm? I may have no evidence pertinent to this matter but I most certainly have knowledge of CS at a very high level.

Surely you must realise from numerous posts on many threads that GSM is an expert on everything, but, take my tip… beware!

Raab is presenting himself as a spoilt brat and extremely sore loser, which only strengthens the impression given in the report.

TBH I don't care one jot about him. Nobody is going to miss him. He'll be lucky if his name makes anything other than a footnote in history books.

PS. What's Gavin Williamson doing these days?

Germanshepherdsmum

The skills you need depend on the people you’re managing Lucky. Some would try the patience of a saint.

Ministers do not manage civil servants.

I expect you know that. I’m sure this was a purely random observation (and not, as it could appear, responding to Lucky’s point about Raab’s staff management limitations.)