Dominic Raab

Apologies that should have been two incidents not one.

Have you read his resignation letter?

That is not someone who recognises his shortcomings, nor someone who is in any sense sorry for his crass behaviour.

Whitewavemark2

Have you read his resignation letter?

That is not someone who recognises his shortcomings, nor someone who is in any sense sorry for his crass behaviour.

I haven’t said he was apologetic Whitewavemark2

Yes I have read his letter.

I would have preferred Richi Sunak to have fired Dominic Raab, making it very clear that bullying in the workplace will not be tolerated at any level. Raab clearly doesn’t think he has done anything wrong !

Siope

I wonder, given that Raab’s majority has diminished across every election since 2010, turning a safe seat into a marginal, if his local association will now consider him such a liability that they deselect him, or manoeuvre him into resigning, before the next election?

I think his majority was about 25,000+ ahead of the next candidate. It's a very Conservative constituency.

DaisyAnne, his majority in 2019 was 2,743, down from 23k in 2017, and from 32k when he was first elected in 2010

He secured 31,132 votes in 2019, against 28,389 for the LibDems, on a 77% turnout.

As I say, from a safe seat to a marginal, with some help from tactical voting.

Oh, and probably helped by Londoners moving further out, something that has potentially increased since 2019 as a result of Covid.

DaisyAnne

Siope

I wonder, given that Raab’s majority has diminished across every election since 2010, turning a safe seat into a marginal, if his local association will now consider him such a liability that they deselect him, or manoeuvre him into resigning, before the next election?

I think his majority was about 25,000+ ahead of the next candidate. It's a very Conservative constituency.

Is it though? (A very Conservative constituency I mean).

DaisyAnne

Siope

I wonder, given that Raab’s majority has diminished across every election since 2010, turning a safe seat into a marginal, if his local association will now consider him such a liability that they deselect him, or manoeuvre him into resigning, before the next election?

I think his majority was about 25,000+ ahead of the next candidate. It's a very Conservative constituency.

His overall majority in the 2019 GE was 2,743 (down from 23,298 in 2017). The LDs were in with a good chance of taking the seat.

Ooops! Sorry, I've just seen your post Siope.

We must all where possible vote tactically. Anything to get this failed government out.

No worries, growstuff - great minds, and all that!

Whitewavemark2

t.co/64qTxyeC0l

Here it is

I must congratulate Wwmk2 on posting a link

It's a complete joke that Raab was Justice Secretary..

MaizieD

Whitewavemark2

t.co/64qTxyeC0l

Here it is

I must congratulate Wwmk2 on posting a link

😄😄😄 I’ll take that complement - but I must confess that all I did was copy and paste the actual link but up by someone on twitter.

How many here have actually read the report? It’s nothing like Lucky describes (as I knew it wouldn’t be). I recommend reading it and understanding the allegations which were upheld before leaping to judgment. He has behaved with integrity in resigning, as he said he would. I don’t blame him for being angry.

In the 2019 general election the LibDem candidate in Esher and Walton got 45% of the vote so here's hoping no-one who wants rid of Raab will waste their vote on any other party but the LibDems.

Germanshepherdsmum

Thanks. 48 pages - Lucky reads quickly.

Thank you - I appreciate the appreciation!

It’s nothing like Lucky describes (as I knew it wouldn’t be).

I’ve read it. I’m particularly unimpressed with his attempts to influence the terms of reference, and to remove matters that the Prime Minister had determined should be included.

And he has been found guilty of two counts of bullying, along with, from my reading, creating difficult working environments repeatedly, despite being advised that he was doing so at least twice and arguably thrice. He also clearly fails to understand the importance of Ministers being receptive to impartial advice based on new information that would lead to reassessment of already stated policy positions (or even much less explicit ‘steers’ as Raab describes his views). This is important because the impact of civil servants no longer feeling able to do this impacts on citizens and services.

I have also read Raab’s Telegraph article, which can best be summed up as ‘infamy, infamy, they’ve all got it in for me’. No contrition, no self-awareness, no acknowledgement that others may be correct.

He has nothing to be angry about, and much to be apologetic for.

Germanshepherdsmum

How many here have actually read the report? It’s nothing like Lucky describes (as I knew it wouldn’t be). I recommend reading it and understanding the allegations which were upheld before leaping to judgment. He has behaved with integrity in resigning, as he said he would. I don’t blame him for being angry.

I’ve read the report. I think it is of high quality, thorough and clear. Being angry and nitpicking is clearly Raab’s default mode , so of course, that is the reaction one would expect him to have as he resigned. My impression of him, having read it, is that he is an unmitigated pain in the ass, who genuinely does not have insight that his modus operandi is unacceptable.
I can see that there would be other politicians of all persuasions who could operate in a similar way, and I hope this case will be a salutary lesson to them too.

The report makes it clear that Raab does not possess the skills to manage people. It's his way or the highway.

I think it is good that this is being looked at in order to get rid of the culture that makes this sort of management style acceptable. It is not acceptable in any organisation and I take my hat off to those who have come forward to talk about their experiences. They have done a service to all government departments where hopefully there will be the beginnings of a change for the better.

I found his letter interesting. There's quite a lot of " sorry they felt offended" stuff, as opposed to sorry I did that , and a fair amount of " they needed to be told" . Not very conciliatory is it?
As a previous poster noted, he is clear that he viewed his time served in various ministerial roles as sevice to the PM, not the country. I'm inclined to agree with that part.

The report quotes Raab's response to some questions and then the senior civil servant's that he was talking about. The author of the report said that he believed the civil servant's view and not Raab's.

Don't forget, when Raab was Brexit secretary he didn't know the importance of Dover to exports/imports.

Luckygirl3

Report is available online now. Just looked at it. It is a bit muddly but basically says that he is not a nice human being and a bad insensitive boss. Off with his head! Hooray!

Sadly that could be said of a lot of human beings and bosses!
I have met a few when I was working particularly as a temp and you could see why some businesses went through temporary staff like water under a bridge.
The issue is drawing and knowing the line between being a bully or someone trying to get the best out of their employees for the good of the business.