I fear the rise of National Conservatism

I think James Orr is heading up the Edmund Burke input gsm

James Orr ex lawyer

Growstuff I last five minutes listening to Roger Scruton so admire your perseverance!

I’m an ex lawyer. So? I don’t claim any intellectual superiority such that my presence on a platform gives that platform any degree of gravitas.

GSM okay. Fine. I didn’t claim any gravitas for legal background. Just trying to understand how someone from Cambridge University which usually does have gravitas is involved.

Germanshepherdsmum

Have you looked at the NC’s website Fleurpepper? Looked at the names there? Looked at their beliefs? They are not the ERG, though some ERG members may have espoused their cause. These people are not simply Vote Leave in disguise. Their beliefs are far more sinister, much as you may wish to think that all paths lead to Brexit.

Been very busy, sorry. First names in Andrew Marr's report are 'Rees-Mogg, Gove and Braverman' all staunch ERG, and then Tice and Farage ... allying themselves to fascists all over the world. Yes, the ERG +++ - truly terrifying.

Perhaps because he subscribes to their worrying views and they’re delighted to have someone from Cambridge because it sounds impressive - though he’s only an associate professor. You get weirdos in all the major universities.

Look at the website and see what their beliefs are, Fleurpepper. It’s far worse than you think.

Yes, agreed.

nationalconservatism.org/national-conservatism-a-statement-of-principles/

It seems to me that Brexit was just a first step in the plan by these National Conservatives to push the UK much further to the right.

What do we hear about that agenda from the right wing tabloids?

Agreed, and yet many will refuse to see it. And the ERG and Vote Leave were very much part of this.

ronib

GSM okay. Fine. I didn’t claim any gravitas for legal background. Just trying to understand how someone from Cambridge University which usually does have gravitas is involved.

He's an associate professor! Sorry, but there's not a huge amount of gravitas attached to that.

Growstuff double first in classics from Balliol. Okay not bad! Still quite young.

ronib

Growstuff I last five minutes listening to Roger Scruton so admire your perseverance!

I feel the same about Harry/Meghan, the RF in general, Get me out of here, Strictly and that cake baking programme.

Observing politics is a hobby.

Fleurpepper

nationalconservatism.org/national-conservatism-a-statement-of-principles/

Thank you for that link, Fp 😱

ronib

Growstuff double first in classics from Balliol. Okay not bad! Still quite young.

I think we've had our fill of people with Classics degrees...

A double first… nowhere near BJ!

Amazes me how much spite attaches itself to anyone who did well at Oxford or Cambridge, I always assume it’s envy.
As to the subject of the OP, I don’t find it terrifying as it will never become mainstream in the conservative party, just as the extreme left won’t become mainstream in the labour party.

Oreo

Amazes me how much spite attaches itself to anyone who did well at Oxford or Cambridge, I always assume it’s envy.
As to the subject of the OP, I don’t find it terrifying as it will never become mainstream in the conservative party, just as the extreme left won’t become mainstream in the labour party.

Amazes me how you can read the comments above as 'spite about anyone who did well at Oxford and Cambridge'

Look at what happened to true one nation Conservatives- all pushed out by the ERG- to see that the extreme right has taken over the Cons.

Well the labour Party was in the process of being taken over by the extreme left when Corbyn was being idolised but it didn’t happen, they lost the GE big time, threw Corbyn out and stopped listening to the super left lefties.
The same will happen to the conservatives if they go down the extreme right road.

Oreo I must admit that I am struggling a bit with some of the illogical statements issued by the Edmund Burke Foundation. It often seems to me that exceptionally able/academic people often lack common sense. I don’t think this movement will last very long here. I don’t subscribe to some of its fundamental beliefs and I can’t see it making much headway in the Uk in its current format. I can understand why a Christian group would seek to evangelise but this is not for the Uk market.

Oreo

Well the labour Party was in the process of being taken over by the extreme left when Corbyn was being idolised but it didn’t happen, they lost the GE big time, threw Corbyn out and stopped listening to the super left lefties.
The same will happen to the conservatives if they go down the extreme right road.

It hasn't so far. And the best of them have been thrown out or left. Unlike what has happened in the Labour Party.

ronib

Oreo I must admit that I am struggling a bit with some of the illogical statements issued by the Edmund Burke Foundation. It often seems to me that exceptionally able/academic people often lack common sense. I don’t think this movement will last very long here. I don’t subscribe to some of its fundamental beliefs and I can’t see it making much headway in the Uk in its current format. I can understand why a Christian group would seek to evangelise but this is not for the Uk market.

Have you read the blurb about Matt Goodwin's latest book? It's all about criticising the "elite" (a la Brexit), the argument is contradictory because all it's doing is giving a different "elite" power.