More tory trickery for the local elections?

Mcbab

People who keep insisting that there is no evidence of voter fraud seem to be completely unaware of why voter ID was introduced in Northern Ireland. It was because the rallying call was ‘ vote early and vote often ‘ and, miraculously, the dead were found to be voting!!!

😂😡
Glad they put a stop to that then!

Whitewavemark2

I see one of our pillars of freedom is crumbling. Republicans have been sent an intimidatory letter by the government threatening them with imprisonment if they breach the law on Saturday.

Nothing wrong with a warning.
The republicans are allowed to stand along the route with everyone else and hold placards.
If anyone breaks the law they should expect punishment which could be imprisonment depending on what they do.

Whitewavemark2

I see one of our pillars of freedom is crumbling. Republicans have been sent an intimidatory letter by the government threatening them with imprisonment if they breach the law on Saturday.

Surely anyone guilty of breaching the law should be held accountable for their actions whether they are republicans or monarchists?

Jut out of curiosity have these intimidatory letters been sent out to all republicans, and if so how does the government know who they are?

Isn’t the truth that advisory letters have been sent to known Republican Organisations who have already publicly stated that they intend to disrupt the Coronation, as was stated and discussed on Breakfast News this morning, which is totally different to what your post suggested.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

I see one of our pillars of freedom is crumbling. Republicans have been sent an intimidatory letter by the government threatening them with imprisonment if they breach the law on Saturday.

Surely anyone guilty of breaching the law should be held accountable for their actions whether they are republicans or monarchists?

Jut out of curiosity have these intimidatory letters been sent out to all republicans, and if so how does the government know who they are?

Isn’t the truth that advisory letters have been sent to known Republican Organisations who have already publicly stated that they intend to disrupt the Coronation, as was stated and discussed on Breakfast News this morning, which is totally different to what your post suggested.

I think that the point is that the law should not have been made in the first place.

Laws which contain these sort of powers

^ Police will be able to head off disruption by stopping and searching protesters if they suspect they are setting out to cause chaos.^

It's a catch all with no definition, 'suspect' is a very elastic term that can be very widely interpreted and is open to misuse.

The letter was sent to an organisation that campaigns for a Republic, telling it to warn its members.. (I'm surprised that Grany hasn't had something to say about it...)

What is the justification for causing chaos? Isn’t life difficult enough already for the average person trying to get a child to school?

ronib

What is the justification for causing chaos? Isn’t life difficult enough already for the average person trying to get a child to school?

As the coronation itself is going to cause a hell of a lot of 'chaos' I can't see that a wee bit more would make much difference.

And who is trying to take children to school on a Saturday?

As a general rule, it seems okay for Extinction Rebellion and other protest groups to protest without any consideration for impacts on the local population. This is wrong.
To say that the coronation is causing chaos is not the case. In fact it is the opposite because for once the country is being connected to its historical foundation. It is an act of cohesion and continuity. You might not want to be part of it and you can stay away. Quietly.

Whatever is going on, I’m not voting today. We’ve got elections, I’m just not voting. I’ll vote in the national election, and I will have no problem taking my ID along. Don’t see a problem with it, it happens in most if not all countries in the EU.

I wouldn't demonstrate but feel that a simple ceremony and the money going into most of the ceremony would be better spent on food banks and free school meals and elderly care.

And hundreds of police taken away from other duties - were they are really needed - no, not a happy bunny, tho happy for a small "do".

"where" they are really needed

I wouldn’t demonstrate either Wyllow3 any more than I’ll demonstrate at Eurovision because of the public funds going into Eurovision, which I’d sooner were used for the NHS.
Not because I approve of either event, but because I don’t deliberately go out to spoil events for other people, even if I’ve complained about them before.
If some take pleasure in doing that, so be it.

Whether or not you would protest, and your opinion of those that do is totally irrelevant.

My point is that our freedoms are under attack and the Tory law and policy is to take these freedoms away from the population.

*The Public Order Bill, which has now been passed by Parliament in the United Kingdom, is deeply troubling legislation that is incompatible with the UK’s international human rights obligations regarding people’s rights to freedom of expression, peaceful assembly and association, UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk warned on Thursday.

“This new law imposes serious and undue restrictions on these rights that are neither necessary nor proportionate to achieve a legitimate purpose as defined under international law. This law is wholly unnecessary as UK police already have the powers to act against violent and disruptive demonstrations,” Türk said.

“It is especially worrying that the law expands the powers of the police to stop and search individuals, including without suspicion; defines some of the new criminal offences in a vague and overly broad manner; and imposes unnecessary and disproportionate criminal sanctions on people organizing or taking part in peaceful protests,” he added*

This country is becoming unrecognisable.

To say that the coronation is causing chaos is not the case. In fact it is the opposite because for once the country is being connected to its historical foundation. It is an act of cohesion and continuity.

Blimey! You sound like a propaganda press release.

It's not an act of cohesion and unity when it's enforced by punishing people who make their objections known publicly.

And if closing down central London isn't a cause of chaos I don't know what is...

This country is becoming unrecognisable

Judging from reactions on Gnet it appears to be 'what the people want', Wwmk2...

There is a fine line between the right of people to protest and the right of ordinary citizens to go about their daily lives without disruption from protesters.

I respect peaceful protests. The recents antics and disruption of XR and Just Stop Oil seem to have backfired on these organisations.

People are aware of climate change and when this is discussed with friends and family they are all doing their bit for the planet.

I haven’t got the answer I’m afraid, but if a stop and search saves one persons life surely that’s a good thing?

As an aside - I’ve just been down to vote - people are not happy about voter ID there were 4 people in front of me and every one of them moaned (politely) about having to produce ID saying how unnecessary it was etc.

Well I hope this translates into votes.

This

freedom of assembly, sometimes used interchangeably with the freedom of association, is the individual right or ability of people to come together and collectively express, promote, pursue, and defend their collective or shared ideas

MaizieD propaganda press release…. Thanks. Here’s some more… let’s think about the concept of nationhood/society.
What tenuous links do we need/have to join fairly disparate groups together? What is our commonality?

For me I hope to do some gardening rather than sit and watch the whole coronation… maybe do fast forward on iplayer later.

ronib

MaizieD propaganda press release…. Thanks. Here’s some more… let’s think about the concept of nationhood/society.
What tenuous links do we need/have to join fairly disparate groups together? What is our commonality?

For me I hope to do some gardening rather than sit and watch the whole coronation… maybe do fast forward on iplayer later.

It’s going to rain all day so I should sort out some good books😄

This hasn’t been widely disseminated

Dr Tess Machling

Just voted & discovered that you can make an official complaint about requirement for photo ID at the vote - election officers will take down your complaint name & address & pass it to the elections teams... so please folks - have your say!

I still don’t understand the righteous indignation about voter ID. It’s not too difficult to produce ID for most people and for those who don’t, it’s free to obtain. It’s been on advertised on television regularly. People always moan when something new is introduced. I think it’s overdue actually. Of course people should be able to show who they are before they vote. They do it in the EU, why not here.

I suppose in the fulness of time all UK voters will get used to voter ID and be prepared when they attend to vote but in these early stages there are bound to be people who for one reason or another haven't got photo ID or an alternative. Allowing old people to use their bus pass whereas young people can't use a travel document is discriminatory and favours the Tories. From a Brexit standpoint (not mine) justifying a brand new voter ID law because it's done in the EU seems paradoxical when Rees-Mogg wants a bonfire of EU regulations!

It isn’t righteous indignation at the requirement to produce ID, but the reason for its introduction.

We know that voter fraud is and has never been a problem, so you have to ask yourself “why introduce this requirement”

If everyone of voting age was issued with an ID, then I would consider it to be no problem at all, but this isn’t the case is it?

The elderly will find it very easy to vote with the widely accepted proof of identity, and those middling population will find it very easy if they travel or drive, but this isn’t true for people between 18 and say 25, or poorer members of society, and you need to ask why is this so.

The latest statistics I could find is 37% of 18-25 yr olds have a driving license/provisional.

Accredited Student cards are permissible voter ID
(I believe these are the hologram type)

Voter ID certificate is free.

There has been plenty of publicity regarding the need for photographic ID across all mediums.

Those interested in politics who vote have no excuse if they haven’t bothered to apply.

As I said it isn’t the introduction of voter ID

it is the reason for its introduction