More tory trickery for the local elections?

A government that believes in fully enfranchising its population would have no issue in everyone having a voter ID who is entitled to vote..
But they didn’t.

Electoral Commission

GrannyGravy13 you are risking being jumped on heavily!!
One useful statistic that could (but won’t) appear would be if there was a comparison between those who voted last time but didn’t vote now because they have no photo ID, maybe classified by age.

So the records of who couldn’t vote today will be totally incorrect

Why all this sheep like compliance with things that aren't necessary.

And, GG13, how did this get into a discussion about the police being given wide and undefined powers to stop people they think might be going to cause chaos somewhere?

I haven’t got the answer I’m afraid, but if a stop and search saves one persons life surely that’s a good thing?

Who has been killed by protestors?

Bouncers at the door is totally illegal, but they are there nonetheless together apparently with Tory supporters proselytising at the poll station door which is also totally illegal.

MaizieD

Why all this sheep like compliance with things that aren't necessary.

And, GG13, how did this get into a discussion about the police being given wide and undefined powers to stop people they think might be going to cause chaos somewhere?

I haven’t got the answer I’m afraid, but if a stop and search saves one persons life surely that’s a good thing?

Who has been killed by protestors?

Both yourself and Whitewavemark2 posted regarding stop and search being expanded.

I was responding to both of your posts.

Just thinking.

At the start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine how did we all feel about protestors being carted off by the Russian police for holding up an anti war sign, or even a blank one, or a flower?

You do know that 'holding up a sign' might well come within the definition of 'intending to cause chaos'?

Whitewavemark2

Bouncers at the door is totally illegal, but they are there nonetheless together apparently with Tory supporters proselytising at the poll station door which is also totally illegal.

Not at any of the polling stations round here.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

Bouncers at the door is totally illegal, but they are there nonetheless together apparently with Tory supporters proselytising at the poll station door which is also totally illegal.

Not at any of the polling stations round here.

There were two outside my polling station - one asked if I has voter ID - I simply looked through him.

I should have reported him, but I got carried away listening to all the objections.

It seems people are not fooled - at least around here they aren’t.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

Why all this sheep like compliance with things that aren't necessary.

And, GG13, how did this get into a discussion about the police being given wide and undefined powers to stop people they think might be going to cause chaos somewhere?

I haven’t got the answer I’m afraid, but if a stop and search saves one persons life surely that’s a good thing?

Who has been killed by protestors?

Both yourself and Whitewavemark2 posted regarding stop and search being expanded.

I was responding to both of your posts.

You didn't respond to my question. You asserted that stop and search was a good thing if it prevented someone being killed.

Who has been killed by protestors?

PS stop and search for no apparent reason is being proposed.

NO!

MaizieD at least one person has died as the result of XR/Stop Oil blockading a road which prevented a man trying to get his mother to hospital.

Whitewavemark2

PS stop and search for no apparent reason is being proposed.

NO!

I guess the parents of killed youngsters would disagree with you on that.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

PS stop and search for no apparent reason is being proposed.

NO!

I guess the parents of killed youngsters would disagree with you on that.

I have no doubt that they would, but that is not how law is made in this country.

Whitewavemark2

So the records of who couldn’t vote today will be totally incorrect

Absolutely!
No one will know if a no show is just the usual non voter, of which there are many, or someone who hasn’t turned up because they didn’t get ID, either because they forgot it because they don’t see why they should.
The only accurate record will be of those who didn’t get/haven’t got ID who turn up to vote.

Yet! Give it time

Mollygo

Whitewavemark2

So the records of who couldn’t vote today will be totally incorrect

Absolutely!
No one will know if a no show is just the usual non voter, of which there are many, or someone who hasn’t turned up because they didn’t get ID, either because they forgot it because they don’t see why they should.
The only accurate record will be of those who didn’t get/haven’t got ID who turn up to vote.

That is why voter ID should have been given to everyone of voter age.

The question also needs asking as to why has it refused to accept the advice - even from senior Conservatives - who argued that the changes could lead to massive disenfranchisement and disillusionment with the democratic system. Our system is crumbling as it is, this can only make it so much worse.

That is why voter ID should have been given to everyone of voter age.
I agree.
Can you explain how all people of voter age would verify who they are in order to be given this ID?

For example
In Germany, you are registered at birth with the registry office. If you move, you have to inform the old and new registration office.

From 16 years old on you have to have a “Personalausweis”, an ID card with a photo.

What would we use here?

I have been up to vote this morning no hassle and nobody protesting about providing ID

A big to do about nothing in my opinion, it lists on the back of the polling cards sent to everyone who is eligible to vote what photo ID is needed. As for voter fraud yes I personally think in some communities there could be a problem, that's the nature of fraud people are cunning.

As for voter fraud yes I personally think in some communities there could be a problem, that's the nature of fraud people are cunning.

Whatever you might think, there is no evidence of voter fraud for in person voting. Laws should be made on evidence, not 'there may be but we don't know'.

Sir Eric Pickles did find evidence of coercion in voting it seems. FYI

No evidence because they haven't been caught especially in the big towns and cities perhaps 😊 and why is it the left who are up in arms about this?

Anyway if you want to vote get your ID sorted out or lose your vote.