Will You Pledge Allegiance?

effalump

I really think the ones that do will be doing it for the selfies. They'll be all over the internet next week. I won't be watching either but I might see if there are stills or short videos on YT. There'll definitely be 'overkill' on the msm this week and next weekend. Not that I would ever pledge allegiance, the think that worries me is the bit about "according to the Law". I'm not sure whether or not the British Forces get any punishment for breaking their oath to King and Country but what happens if you've pledged whilst enjoying a barbie and copious amounts of booze and then do something considered against the 'Oath'. Will you be dragged off to the local jail? Sounds dodgy to me. I think I'll pass.

I hadn't thought of doing a selfie of myself pledging alone in my room... and sharing it on line. I still won't do it though, I'd feel an even bigger twerp than spouting allegiance to an empty room with no one to see.

As for taking oaths of allegiance whilst scoffing a kebab at a barbie, it seems, well, disrespectful. It certainly degrades the oaths which newcomers to our shores pledge when they become citizens.

Jaberwok

I would think it'll less than that! Bear in mind this idea has come out of Lambeth Palace not Buckingham Palace! I gather that B.P isn't that amused by it!! Dear old Justin Welby trying to be inclusive apparently, when he'd have done best to leave well alone imo!

Much less indeed, if the majority of us grans will not do it- the % of our Acs and GCs who will, will probably be tiny- less than 20%, and perhaps less even.

Is the % important apart from making people in either group feel satisfied that they were right about something that can’t be proved?

Is anyone pledging a vow of allegiance, the business of anyone apart from the person doing it.

The media will be full of unverified statistics of who did pledge and who didn’t.
Small surveys, e.g. of contributors on GN will be used to extrapolate unverifiable results for people to argue about.
Some people will be smug that they were right. Others will argue that the margin was too small to be fair.
Jaberwok, as you say,
Justin Welby would have done best to leave well alone . . .
BUT on the other hand, he has got a large number of people who avowedly want nothing to do with the coronation, or who aren’t interested to talk/post endlessly about a non compulsory part of the Coronation.
Well done Justin.

Just listened to a news report of the security details for the day - hundreds of police - frankly needed else where. I'm increasingly feeling there is something very wrong with all this and the money spent on it need so badly elsewhere (as are the police).

This has to change. Nothing will sop it going ahead this time, but I hope that William when the time comes can be "sworn in" with a simple ceremony, not needing the international visitors or the commitment to one particular church....

Some GNs might be interested to know that immigrants to Canada who apply for citizenship have to attend a citizenship ceremony and recite the Oath of Citizenship.
Here it is:-
"I swear (or affirm) that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to his Majesty King Charles the Third, King of Canada, his Heirs and Successors .....".
I became a Canadian citizen shortly after the Queen's death and it felt very strange to swear allegiance to Charles.

It’s my 70th birthday so I will be celebrating that 😊

It’s my 70th birthday so I will be celebrating that with all my family

Congratulations Disco60. Hope you have a great day!

Wyllow3

Just listened to a news report of the security details for the day - hundreds of police - frankly needed else where. I'm increasingly feeling there is something very wrong with all this and the money spent on it need so badly elsewhere (as are the police).
I agree about the money, and about the need for police elsewhere. Don’t you also find it appalling that some people are actually planning to cause the problems and disruptions that give rise to the need for this security.

Yes. It's very sad that people actually make plans to spoil things for others. Even worse, of course, if they're planning dangerous terrorist style attacks. I really hope all goes well on the day.

CocoPops raises an interesting point. However, as of December last year Quebec took a definite move in the other direction :

"The Canadian province of Quebec has passed a law making an oath of allegiance to the monarch optional for members of the legislature.

The bill was introduced after the ascension of King Charles III, when three politicians refused to swear allegiance."

'Optional' seems reasoanable.

I agree Aveline and can you imagine if heaven forbid, there was a serious incident and there wasn't a sufficient police presence to prevent or deal with it?

So the rest of the world is going to be super impressed by this over the top circus we are about to pay out over 250 million pounds for. Money we haven't got. Surely a case of "All fur coat and no nickers"

The rest of the world will certainly be watching. Knickers will be present and correct throughout.

Vintagenonna

CocoPops raises an interesting point. However, as of December last year Quebec took a definite move in the other direction :

"The Canadian province of Quebec has passed a law making an oath of allegiance to the monarch optional for members of the legislature.

The bill was introduced after the ascension of King Charles III, when three politicians refused to swear allegiance."

'Optional' seems reasoanable.

They've always thought of themselves as a French colony so fair enough.

Vintagenonna
Optional' seems reasoanable.
For the Canadians maybe, but some here don’t think so.

Talking to someone today who comes from a country which has a low key royal family, he said he was astounded by the coronation. Ostentatious was the way he described it. Apparently in his country a monarch dies, his or her successor simply becomes the next one and they all quietly carry on.

Nope, what a waste of money , Especially when so many people are struggling to pay their hearing bills etc

Wyllow3 I couldn't agree more. My beliefs are not going to be represented at the coronation, it appears it only applies to Christians with a small contribution from a handful of other religions. I do not see atheism, Humanism, or indeed the beliefs of groups such as pagans and druids represented.

It is time to make the whole thing secular, if we must have a monarchy at all. The coronation is only a fancy way of agreeing that Charles Windsor believes the Christian god gives him the right to rule over us. Without a religious element there would be no need for an expensive coronation. A quick civic swearing in or similar would be ample fuss. It could perhaps be live streamed if anyone was interested.

If the event were low key such as HettyBetty suggests the protesters would not be there. Nor any attraction for terrorists if Big Important People from over the world were not there.

Hence not the need for the police or the millions better spent elsewhere.

Hence the release of money for people who actually need it.

I think the quiet dignity of a small event is as meaningful as what is due to happen. More, really, it show humility and a true desire to serve not parade.

Wyllow3 I'm not sure why, in these days of technology, all the Big Important People need to be there. DH "attended" a funeral by video link recently, the same sort of thing could be set up for this. Much less of a carbon footprint for the environmentally conscious Mr Windsor.

Aveline

Yes. It's very sad that people actually make plans to spoil things for others. Even worse, of course, if they're planning dangerous terrorist style attacks. I really hope all goes well on the day.

Everyone should have the right to protest, as long as its not violent.

No, I certainly won't be pledging allegiance because I feel none. It has apparently been "suggested" rather than "instructed" but those people who feel allegiance do not need such suggestions. They are perfectly capable of deciding that for themselves.

HettyBetty ''Wyllow3 I couldn't agree more. My beliefs are not going to be represented at the coronation, it appears it only applies to Christians with a small contribution from a handful of other religions.''

not Christians, just one denomination, the Church of England.

I remember so many years ago Charles saying he would not accept to be the Head of the CofE, as he wanted to be inclusive all all in the Country (-ies) - other Christian denominations and other Faiths (sadly not non religious British people who represent a huge proportion these days). I was really pleased and hopeful about that.

Everyone should have the right to protest, as long as it’s not violent.
It’s true.
Sadly, whatever the protest, there is usually violence. The protestors have the right to protest about what they feel is wrong. Those who think that protest is wrong, also have the right to protest. Each group thinks the other is wrong, and an element of protestors, use violence to protest about what they see as wrong.