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Will You Pledge Allegiance?

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vegansrock Sun 30-Apr-23 07:34:47

Apparently we are all supposed to stand up in front of our tellys and pledge allegiance to the King saying stuff like “ May the King live forever”
Will you me doing it? Me neither, I’ll be in the garden hopefully.
What does “pledge allegiance” even mean in the 21st century? Before royalist pile in, yes I do know it has its roots a few hundred years ago, and it’s taken from a Handel anthem , but , honestly , that’s no excuse is it? We’re not in the Brownies fgs.

BigBertha1 Wed 03-May-23 07:25:04

I think my husband will but I would feel silly doing that and if he does I shall be embarrassed and giggle...time to make the coffee in that bit. We do support the monarchy but like religion we don't bother anyone else with it.

Jaberwok Wed 03-May-23 07:44:05

I don't think HM does believe himself to be a higher being, He's a human being like the rest of us with human frailties. Politicians now, some of them certainly consider themselves a cut above the rest of us, and they certainly commit adultery, but no one seems to mind that! HM and Camilla have been married for nearly 18 years without a breath of scandal, they certainly love each other and are good for each other. Sadly that was not the case with Diana which was tragic for both parties. Who would deny someone domestic happiness? I certainly wouldn't and neither do I believe would God

Fleurpepper Wed 03-May-23 08:17:10

I have no re-read the whole thread to count- but it seems that most of us will not be doing so.

So if Grans will not, by a big majority, I imagine that over the whole population, only a very small number will.

Fleurpepper Wed 03-May-23 09:13:13

Madashell

Already sworn - just the two words

hmmm I wonder? Made me giggle.

Wyllow3 Wed 03-May-23 09:32:20

I think he'll make a decent enough king but no way will I "pledge" for someone who will be anointed the supreme governor of the Church of England. Support all faiths or no faiths. Time for this historical connection to be broken.

paddyann54 Wed 03-May-23 09:42:10

My friend who posted on FB yesterday suggested the oil that they will be annointed with is BP.....after all its all about the money .
Duty ...its a word they fling about ,but when it involves a lifestyle most can only dream of and shaking hands,cutting ribbons and smiling its not exactly what the majority see as HARD work or work at all .
The RF have money spirited away in off shore accounts while "their" people struggle with a cost of living crisis ,and to compound it he's rubbing their noses in it with the huge cost of this coronation.
NO President in any country ...even Trump gets as much from the public purse ....for decades and unless we wisen up for the next hundred years with the heirs already lined up

lesleybs Wed 03-May-23 10:35:20

NO

Grandmagrotbags Wed 03-May-23 10:42:53

It’s a No from me.

Callistemon21 Wed 03-May-23 10:48:15

I just think it was a daft suggestion and will raise the hackles of many people who might have been indifferent.

It's something some in the Forces do.
The Army pledges allegiance to the Crown.
The Royal Navy does not because it is implicit in the name.

henetha Wed 03-May-23 10:53:14

Although I am happy to, I don't think it's a brilliant idea. It will be resented by some. It's too archaic and out of touch. I did hope that King Charles would modernise as soon as possible.
But hopefully he will, given time.

Jaxjacky Wed 03-May-23 10:57:25

It’s an invite, not an edict, I politely decline.

Farzanah Wed 03-May-23 10:59:29

Well said paddyann.

MadeInYorkshire Wed 03-May-23 11:00:29

Absolutely NOT!

There's nothing left to even be proud of being British anymore, this country is a disgrace quite frankly ....

Jaberwok Wed 03-May-23 11:38:00

I and my family young and old would be happy to but as we are all loyal subjects to HM and have been all our lives, the RF can take our support as a done deal. It isn't all just cutting ribbons and opening new buildings, they are all involved in so much more and doing a lot of good in many unsung ways. The income from tourists will more than make up for the cost of the next few days, my granddaughter lives in Windsor and she says that you can't move for tourists,mainly American and Japanese who are freely spending! Hotels have been booked up for weeks and people camping in the Mall. All a good sign.

Mollygo Wed 03-May-23 11:50:45

This morning, hairdresser (38 years old) planning to watch the Ceremony. Nail assistant (22 years old), planning to watch the ceremony, parents (I don’t ask their age) and children, arriving at school yesterday with boxes of cakes for the coronation fundraiser all full of enthusiasm for the Coronation, (children possibly keener in the extra bank holiday).
Those (and there may well be some) who are not in favour, weren’t standing round shouting about it.
No anonymity I suppose.

Callistemon21 Wed 03-May-23 12:05:17

and will raise the hackles

The hackles are still rising!

vintage1950 Wed 03-May-23 12:54:09

I agree with Jaberwok about the pen incident. The inkwell - was it? - was placed where it was obviously going to be knocked over, and the King was trying to signal to someone to move it to a safer place and avoid a mishap. That's all.

Hollycat Wed 03-May-23 13:03:03

Why not? Sounds like a plan. I pledged my allegiance to the Queen when a Guide, my daughter did so when she joined the army. It seems like a nice idea to me.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 03-May-23 13:05:43

I’m very proud to be British MadeInYorkshire. I know your personal circumstances are very difficult, and for that I’m very sorry, but think of the countries where war rages, children starve or die from preventable diseases, mothers die in childbirth - we have much to be thankful for.

Hollycat Wed 03-May-23 13:22:37

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holcombemummy60 Wed 03-May-23 13:45:25

Hell would freeze over before I’d swear anything to a pair of adulteress . Now if it was William and Kate that’s different all together . That woman should not be queen . Just my option

Jaberwok Wed 03-May-23 15:00:46

Oh get a grip,that was over 20 years ago, and these two love birds have been married for just on 18 years without a breath of scandal. Now if Charles was like Edward V11th with his many mistresses I too would be a bit cluckerty, but he's not even remotely like him. Charles and Camilla are clearly devoted to each other and it's a poor heart that denies another personal happiness. The initial marriage was a mistake for both of them, initial marriages quite often are, and do remember Diana was no saint,breaking up at least two marriages among a plethora of boyfriends! Perhaps fidelity wasn't her strong point either.

Toula Wed 03-May-23 18:09:51

No.

varian Wed 03-May-23 18:39:34

As it is optional it will be interesting to see how many take up the option. My guess is well below half.

Jaberwok Wed 03-May-23 18:57:01

I would think it'll less than that! Bear in mind this idea has come out of Lambeth Palace not Buckingham Palace! I gather that B.P isn't that amused by it!! Dear old Justin Welby trying to be inclusive apparently, when he'd have done best to leave well alone imo!