Will You Pledge Allegiance?

To me it seems a bit ‘do you know who I am?’ and know your place .

Luckygirl3

I guess people feel het up about it as it is a rather disturbing piece of self-aggrandisement in a king who is apparently desiring to be more relevant and in touch - offering people the chance to express adulation of oneself is pretty sick really.

So agree 👏

eazybee

This thread is sooo predictable.
I shall.

... so predictable

Are we being mildly chastised because we have the freedom to think and feel differently?

I shall not.

I'm pleased for Charles that he's finally being crowned. I think he intends to do an honourable job. I would defend him against those who make unnecessary jibes about him - but he's not faultless, he's just a human being we've elevated to fulfil the apparent need we have of maintaining a monarchy. And I'm a republican. I'm not a subject nor a serf.

I don't have any problem with Charles or Camilla, but I'm damned if I'm going to be stuck in front of the telly all day watching the whole shabang.

I spoke to my son yesterday, he and girlfriend are off to the States any day. "Clever you two, getting two bank holidays in, taking up less annual leave" I remarked. "Yes" he replied and "I've no desire to stick around to see fat fingered Charles crowned, It'll all be over when we're back thank God" A bit rude I thought, but he did add "really like the late Queen though"

No.

Im not republican but I have posted here strongly against the waste of a coronation. I am thinking it is in the same old fashioned and tasteless "tone" as William and Kate's tour of Carribbean countries standing 50s style in a landrover wearing tiara and uniform respectively while the common folks cheer and wave flags.

Nor a good look spending millions on an arcane and elaborate ceremony at the height of a cost of living crisis.

Very much out of tune with modern European practice. None of the other constitutional monarchies have coronations - just a quick flick oath taking to uphold the consitution before parliament. We should be doing the same.

Very negative about all this religious mumbo jumbo. We are no longer a CofE society but a multi faith/no faith society and this does not fit.

No one I know or have spoken to recently is at all enthusiastic but say they will watch (possibly just highlights) for historical interest.

Gala

The "allegiance" is apparently the peers bit, now you can all join in - if you want. Its not compulsory, just part of Charles' inclusivity (not modernisation) along with using the UK languages of Welsh, Irish Gaelic & Scottish Gaelic, representatives of major faiths (& minor ones for all I know) participation of women bishops etc etc . Can't understand why people get so exercised over something they say they're not going to watch or celebrate. Go about your day. Enjoy.

Well said, Gala

It's not compulsory, nor is watching it compulsory either.
Nor are street parties, nor is volunteering on Monday.

Just be glad we don't live in a country where this might be compulsory and dissension and protests might incur imprisonment.

We'll probably watch the ceremony then I think are off out to celebrate 🥂🍾🎉🎂 😁

(Family birthday)

A lot of people think the Coronation is on Monday because they’ve been given that day off. I’ve corrected them if they do want to watch what is an historic event.

Yes of course,about the same time when hell freezes over.

Good common sense post, Callistemon21.

Not a chance.But I am not a fan of Charles and never have been.A weak man.

I won't be swearing an oath of allegiance as I don't need to - my family roots go back to Anglo Saxon times. A scaled down version with a salute to the pageantry and folklore, a definite yes, inclusivity of all faiths and cultures, a definite yes. The times are moving forwards. But, if we were to remove a thousand year old monarchy with what and with whom would we replace it? As a nation we need to tread carefully for the future as the old ways don't seem to work anymore and the future appears to be a murky fog on the horizon.

Well if I do happen to see some of it there will be oaths,( but not of allegiance)

Right, must remember the Brownie/Guide salute and say:

"I promise that I will do my best, to be true to myself and develop my beliefs, to serve the King and my community, to help other people and to keep the (Brownie) Guide law."

It's not easy when your fingers won't do what they used to do!

This really is a bonkers idea, but some will do it.
Not me tho '

Me neither, my pinkie is hurting from practising ☹

Glorianny

Well if I do happen to see some of it there will be oaths,( but not of allegiance)

Easy! Turn off any devices for a week, TV, iPad etc and go for a long walk in the country every day. Take a packed lunch to avoid mention of it in the shops.
Gala has the right idea.
Can't understand why people get so exercised over something they say they're not going to watch or celebrate. Go about your day. Enjoy.

And as Callistemon21 put it,
It's not compulsory, nor is watching it compulsory either.
Nor are street parties, nor is volunteering on Monday.

Just be glad we don't live in a country where this might be compulsory and dissension and protests might incur imprisonment.

Just be glad we don't live in a country where this might be compulsory and dissension and protests might incur imprisonment
Sorry but this instantly reminded me of Hillaire Belloc and what happened to his children in poems, particularly Jim

His Mother, as She dried her eyes,
Said, ``Well--it gives me no surprise,
He would not do as he was told!''
His Father, who was self-controlled,
Bade all the children round attend
To James's miserable end,
And always keep a-hold of Nurse
For fear of finding something worse.^
Whole poem www.poemhunter.com/poem/jim/

Who said this and no absolutely not!

ElaineI

Who said this and no absolutely not!

???

Anniebach

‘All who so desire in the Abbey and elsewhere’

This is not asking all to stand in front of their television

No it isn’t
We are not supposed to do this at all, any public or private joining in is entirely up to us.Being British that likely means very few of us will do it.😄

Glorianny

Well if I do happen to see some of it there will be oaths,( but not of allegiance)

Made me 😆

I suspect most of these novel ideas come, not from Charles, but
Lambeth Palace. The coronation one presumes is regarded as a state occasion and matters appertaining to is decided by the government and all religious aspects by Lambeth Palace. I doubt Charles has much say in the matter, he would receive "advice". Not that I have a direct line into Lambeth Palace, the Royal Family or No 10. This is just my perception. For the record I am neither a Royalist (those big hats don't suit me and I look awful in frills) nor a Republican, I am an Indifferentist (if that's not a word it is now).

I can’t believe this mad idea for the serfs to join in (if they wish of course) by swearing allegiance to the King, ever got off the drawing board.
After the Oath business the Archbishop of Canterbury will apparently say “God Save the King” and the response is “God Save King Charles” Long May he Reign” May he Live for Ever”.
What? Long Reign! He’s already elderly and no one lives for ever anyway, not even a king!