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Will You Pledge Allegiance?

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vegansrock Sun 30-Apr-23 07:34:47

Apparently we are all supposed to stand up in front of our tellys and pledge allegiance to the King saying stuff like “ May the King live forever”
Will you me doing it? Me neither, I’ll be in the garden hopefully.
What does “pledge allegiance” even mean in the 21st century? Before royalist pile in, yes I do know it has its roots a few hundred years ago, and it’s taken from a Handel anthem , but , honestly , that’s no excuse is it? We’re not in the Brownies fgs.

Mollygo Mon 01-May-23 14:36:38

Ilovecheese

Jaberwok
Is only one opinion allowed on this thread?It often seems that way which is probably why a lot of people who used to don't bother to post anymore.
Could someone let me know which opinion is the one that is allowed as I can't tell.
No, sorry, Ilovecheese. I can’t tell you which is the right one - you are allowed your choice, despite how it seems. You can still hold whatever opinion is right for you, as long as you acknowledge the source of your opinion using the correct symbols^^. Otherwise the response will be ✂️✂️✂️.

Baggs Mon 01-May-23 14:52:00

maddyone

Farzanah

I do not believe this individual was chosen by God to reign, nor do I believe he is immortal May he Live for Ever ?

If anyone believes that they are going to be sorely disappointed.

We are masquerading as a modern democratic country, but unwilling to disengage from feudalism.

I agree with this too.

Being so completely literal about it all strikes me as simplistic and really a bit silly.

Baggs Mon 01-May-23 14:57:56

I see it more as "pomp and circumstance" for the hell of it, because it's traditional (up to a point), and because a lot of people like it.

nadateturbe Mon 01-May-23 15:06:49

We are masquerading as a modern democratic country, but unwilling to disengage from feudalism.

Nothing silly about this Baggs.

Livey Mon 01-May-23 15:09:50

And it's a No from me !

62Granny Mon 01-May-23 15:25:23

Those that want to do it fine but I don't think many people watching in the comfort of their own homes will bother.
It is the wording of " Pledge Allegiance" that newspapers and TV journalism pick up on and whip people into lather, without really explaining it fully .
Thank you Gala for explaining it it makes more sense when put in context.

Blossoming Mon 01-May-23 15:41:11

Nope, and wishing for somebody to live forever is just plain daft.

Mollygo Mon 01-May-23 15:42:35

Blossoming

Nope, and wishing for somebody to live forever is just plain daft.

Not only daft, but very unkind.

AGAA4 Mon 01-May-23 16:36:24

Pledging allegiance to the king sounds as though it's come from a Hollywood movie maybe King Arthur?
Whoever thought this was a good idea doesn't understand the British people.

Callistemon21 Mon 01-May-23 17:01:26

AGAA4

Pledging allegiance to the king sounds as though it's come from a Hollywood movie maybe King Arthur?
Whoever thought this was a good idea doesn't understand the British people.

I think it came from Lambeth Palace 🤔

AGAA4 Mon 01-May-23 17:38:12

Lambeth Palace are now saying pledging allegiance is voluntary so I won't be sent to the tower for not complying.

luluaugust Mon 01-May-23 17:45:16

It does sound rather American, I shall be raising a glass and that is it.

Callistemon21 Mon 01-May-23 17:45:23

AGAA4

Lambeth Palace are now saying pledging allegiance is voluntary so I won't be sent to the tower for not complying.

😁

🧗‍♂️🧗‍♀️ here we are, abseiling down the battlements

moggiek Mon 01-May-23 17:58:59

No

Fleurpepper Tue 02-May-23 07:57:14

Baggs quoted '“I swear that I will pay true allegiance to Your Majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.”

so no need for me to do it again, once was quite enough, thanks.

annodomini Tue 02-May-23 08:51:27

70 years ago, we stood for the National Anthem at the end of a cinema film, though there were some of us who managed to escape before the credits ended. We were expected to stand up for the Anthem when it came up on television and certainly did during the Queen's coronation. Those days of deference are over and I can't say I'm sorry. No, I am not going to swear allegiance to Charles III - or to anyone else, human or (allegedly)divine.

silverlining48 Tue 02-May-23 09:03:26

I remember those far off days rushing to get out of the cinema before the National anthem began.
However it’s still played every night on r4 when it ends and world service takes over.

silverlining48 Tue 02-May-23 09:04:58

Being an insomniac I hear
it too often (and no, I remain in my bed).

Caleo Tue 02-May-23 09:13:10

Pledging allegiance is feudal and even if the country were feudal I'd probably not be a freeman but a woman chattel.

paddyann54 Tue 02-May-23 09:36:31

Over 70% of Scots say they wont be watching ,sadly people in the age group on here seem to still think the RF is a "good thing" with one women interviewed who said the RF have never disappointed her and they were "the only thing she believes in " .Poor woman she must have had an awful life if the RF are her only hope!!
Having said that there are many groups of Veterans( armed forces) and other aged folk FOR an Independent Republic of Scotland back in Europe where despite opinions here we will be welcomed .Humza was invited by the German ambassador to the UK to a dinner in London in his honour which was also attended by a number of other EU Representatives.

The photographs show a happy gathering of like minded people ,there were no English/WM representatives invited !

Callistemon21 Tue 02-May-23 09:39:37

Caleo

Pledging allegiance is feudal and even if the country were feudal I'd probably not be a freeman but a woman chattel.

😁

My ancestors were probably serfs.
My passport tells me I'm a citizen, not a subject.
They'd be happy for me, I'm sure. 🙂

Caleo Tue 02-May-23 09:58:17

Same here Callistemon! Role on the meritocracy!
A man's a man for a 'that !

Callistemon21 Tue 02-May-23 10:00:57

Caleo

Same here Callistemon! Role on the meritocracy!
A man's a man for a 'that !

And a woman's work is never done 😁
Must go and scrub the sheets and put them through the mangle.

Philippa111 Tue 02-May-23 10:11:26

Absolutely not. So ridiculous. Which century do they think they are living in? The days of serfdom have long gone!

nanna8 Tue 02-May-23 10:13:55

I think they are having a lend of everyone, for sure. They can’t be serious!