Pitch for leader ?

I don't understand this obsession with numbers.

Do people think there is a ratio, a constant of nature that governs how many people can/should live in any country?

Any government could build houses and hospitals today if they wanted to. Not sure who they would get to staff the hospitals though, seeing as their behaviour has driven off so many medics. Maybe some of the immigrants who people think are going to undermine our way of life?

New towns take many years to come to fruition. The land assembly, planning and initial infrastructure alone take years to accomplish and that’s long before housing is available for occupation. I was involved in putting such a scheme together. They are not the equivalent of ‘houses now’, by any means.

There’s such a thing as population density.
So what population numbers can the Uk sustain?
Yes numbers matter.

And where you put those numbers matters too. Do we value housing people arriving in dinghies more highly than our beautiful countryside and productive agricultural land?

Germanshepherdsmum

New towns take many years to come to fruition. The land assembly, planning and initial infrastructure alone take years to accomplish and that’s long before housing is available for occupation. I was involved in putting such a scheme together. They are not the equivalent of ‘houses now’, by any means.

We'd better get started then!

The sooner we start the processes, the sooner housing with infrastructure will be available.

Germanshepherdsmum

And where you put those numbers matters too. Do we value housing people arriving in dinghies more highly than our beautiful countryside and productive agricultural land?

There are many areas of this country which are not intrinsically beautiful.

Personally, I prefer villages and stunning architecture in cities to endless fields.

Decades, growstuff.

GSM there’s an extreme shortage of housing in the south east and net migration will continue to rise. I don’t think the current trend of building on brownfield sites can continue and new towns and cities are needed. Some serious long term planning is needed.

ronib

There’s such a thing as population density.
So what population numbers can the Uk sustain?
Yes numbers matter.

On a list of the world countries, we are number 51 by population density, sitting at 715/sq mile. Well below Monaco (47,000), Malta (4,300), Netherlands (1,346), to name but a few.

Hardly well known hellholes.

Population density is a simplistic measure used by certain kinds of people to try to make an argument against immigration.

Maybe we should all move to Greenland. Population density 0.07.

GSM from my understanding, the numbers arriving on dinghies are a very small percentage of the total number of migrants. The fact that we have legal immigration without housing and infrastructure available is not being addressed.

Germanshepherdsmum

And where you put those numbers matters too. Do we value housing people arriving in dinghies more highly than our beautiful countryside and productive agricultural land?

Do I value a human life more than a bare mountain?

Actually, yes. Yes I do.

Casdon

I’m going to talk sense. My dog would make a better prime minister than either of them. He’s kind, loyal, knows how to interact with people to best effect, has no racial or gender prejudices (although not keen on squirrels or birds), intuitive, and funny. He doesn’t open his mouth and spout ill informed rabble rousing rubbish. He’s also very handsome but that’s beside the point.

Well said. Sunak should sack Braverman and tell any other Minister speaking at renegade Tory conferences their job is on the line. I find her comments disgusting.

Brownfield sites should be used first. They are typically, though not exclusively, in areas where infrastructure is available. Many have a negative land value due to high levels of contamination and therefore developers won’t touch them. This is something that the government could address, by providing decontamination funds maybe in exchange for a share of the profits when the development is completed.

This is like banging your head against a wall.

Whatever anybody says, then answer is basically we don't want any more foreigners.

We don’t all want thousands of people arriving in dinghies.

Have you been to Monaco? I wouldn’t get off the bus and went to Menton instead. Yes Monaco ghastly.

Oh, I do.

Send them all the boats and help them into the boats and give them the latest mobile phones and flat screen TVs when they get here. Turf the older population out of care homes to live on the street and evict the council tenants and put the Albanians in their place. Tell them to send for their families, we'll be happy to see them.

Which bit of nobody is calling for unlimited immigration is it that you are finding hard to grasp?

V3 the fact is that there’s no attempt to limit legal migration at the moment.
All the emphasis is on the allegedly ‘illegal’ boat people.

ronib

V3 the fact is that there’s no attempt to limit legal migration at the moment.
All the emphasis is on the allegedly ‘illegal’ boat people.

Who do you think is responsible for the need to allow so many legal migrants into the country ronib?

There's no point in actually posting the reasons why you are 100% wrong, because you'll just deny it, but I'll post it for anybody who wants to actually educate themselves about this.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48785695

That was to Ronib

I'm wondering how many people on here, wanting to keep people, out will be complaining very loudly in the future, because they can't get the care staff they need.

V3 the fact that we have a points based migration system doesn’t mean that we can house, feed, educate, transport etc a limitless number of people in these categories.

This government is not being honest but no government is!

If you keep going the way you are posting just now ronib, you'll disappear up your own circular argument.

Casdon no one person is responsible. However
1. Ageing population
2. Declining birth rates
3. Inadequate training for employment
4. Problems with an antiquated social class system
5. Controversially older people in their 70s are filling the skills gap so that can be rethought.
6. The changing role of women in society? Hot potato subject but can consider.
Etc etc